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"My feelings on Obama as of late"
On 12/16/2011 at 10:34:17 PM, Vinsfeld started the thread:
courtesy of reddit
Msg #1: On 12/17/2011 at 12:18:10 AM, Ostromite replied, saying:
BTW I'm George Clooney.
Msg #2: On 12/17/2011 at 2:10:29 AM, Trainwreck replied, saying:
I just think its hilarious how Obama's term turned out almost exactly how I said it would in '08 before he was elected. I told my alarmist friends on the right that he wasn't going to take away their guns (despite my cute little bumper sticker), and I told the brainwashed leftist friends that he wasn't going to immediately end either war or be all that different from Bush in a lot of important (for them especially) ways.
Surprisingly, Obama does and says things I occasionally agree with, so it's not like I hate the guy. Y'know, I figured there would be strong anti-Obama feelings from many sides by now, but I had no idea the Republicans would roll out the Looney Tunes roster of candidates, either. I blame McCain for choosing the sexy dimwit as his running mate back before the election. That's when the party really 'jumped the shark,' in hindsight.
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Msg #3: On 12/17/2011 at 7:38:04 PM, Vinsfeld replied, saying:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/there_goes_the_republic_20111214/
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Msg #4: On 12/17/2011 at 8:25:49 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #3, saying:
First, the military does not torture anyone. Second, military spending today is not out of line with the past 70 years in general. Third, the military does *a lot* more than merely fight other similarly-equipped foes; aside from the current wars, there's a lot more going on around the world that no one hears about. Fourth, the Chinese military is and has been improving at an astonishing rate, and will rival ours in strength and technology in the coming decades; it is foolish to believe they will never seek to influence Asia through its force (not necessarily directly). This is fine if you don't mind China having greater influence over its neighbors, but I would prefer an American hegemony to a Chinese one.
Anyway, military spending is not where our money going, and there are much more wasteful and illegitimate programs that we should seek to cut first. I'm not even against a drastic military reduction so long as it is accompanied by a reduction in the frequency and scope of its use. If that were ever to happen, we should also not be astonished by the massively destabilizing effect that would have on the rest of the world.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a reliable source that outlines the NDAA. All I've read thus far are alarmist messages spouted from extremely ideological or otherwise conspiratorial sources. From what I gather, it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but it is something that should cause some measure of outrage. To my knowledge, this also does nothing to advance the military's jurisdiction into civilian law enforcement; ie, since we can't enforce civilian laws, we cannot arrest anyone anyway. This would seem to only apply in a wartime scenario (Americans fighting abroad in Pakistan/Afghanistan as members of Al Qaeda, for example).
If anyone knows a good source for info on this bill, I'd appreciate a link. And don't bother posting it if your URL contains the word "truth."
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Msg #5: On 12/17/2011 at 8:44:24 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
Because the members of this board have made me paranoid that I'll be misunderstood in a joke post, I do not agree with the first part of George Clooney's thing there. I just posted this because it seemed to be the hot trending image among the douchebag liberal types I know on Facebook.
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Msg #6: On 12/18/2011 at 12:15:36 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
What about all that money going to bases all around in the world?
Msg #7: On 12/18/2011 at 12:39:30 AM, QuickComment replied to Msg #5, saying:
This post made me smile.
Msg #8: On 12/18/2011 at 12:41:15 AM, QuickComment replied to Msg #2, saying:
... yeah, no. McCain was never going to beat Obama. He was a squishy middle of the road guy who wasn't willing to engage on hardly any issues. And the suspending his campaign for TARP thing was a massive mistake, even though Obama took about the same position on it in the end.
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Msg #9: On 12/18/2011 at 1:50:00 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #8, saying:
Never said McCain was going to win or not; just that his selection of Palin seemed to legitimize crazies.
Msg #10: On 12/19/2011 at 2:39:45 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #4, saying:
No clarification available on the supposedly outrageous parts of the NDAA yet? I'll keep waiting.
Msg #11: On 12/19/2011 at 6:50:04 PM, Vinsfeld replied, saying:
Sorry, skyrim. Read this one first and the top few comments.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nizgq/can_someone_please_help_me_better_understand_and/
http://www.americablog.com/2011/12/yes-ndaa-really-does-authorize.html
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/a-public-letter-to-the-us-government-upon-the-passing-of-ndaa/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/niye5/best_argument_against_ndaa_is_from_my_own_senator/
and lol at this links title, but still has a good article.
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/12/national-defense-authorization-act-aka.html
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Msg #12: On 12/27/2011 at 3:20:49 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #11, saying:
Sorry, war. I swear I'm not avoiding this thread intentionally!
Msg #13: On 12/27/2011 at 11:50:34 PM, Vinsfeld replied, saying:
lol no worries i'm in cancun mexico til jan 2 anyway and have limited internet use. stay safe.
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