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"Mission Impossible 5"
On 8/17/2014 at 1:24:24 PM, raptor2000 started the thread:
I'm sure by now most of you know a new Mission Impossible is on the way. Tom Cruise, Simon Pegg, and Jeremy Renner are confirmed to be returning along with newcomer Alec Baldwin, but now we have confirmation that Ving Rhames will be returning as well, seemingly in more of a substantial role like he was in the first 3 rather than another cameo like in Ghost Protocol.
I'm excited, because as he is the only cast member other than Cruise to be in every film, Luther is (to me) just as essential and his absence (along with the lack of a good memorable villain) was the only major thing wrong with the otherwise practically perfect Ghost Protocol.
This series just keeps getting better with each installment (aside from part 2), so here's to hoping part 5 keeps the momentum up. Cruise has been on a roll lately with great movies, though, sadly, not many of then have been runaway box office successes. Actually, the last Mission Impossible movie might have been his last megahit.
Msg #1: On 8/17/2014 at 6:08:50 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
I loved Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, which is not only one of the best big budget Hollywood action movies of the also ten or fifteen years, but easily the best of the entire Mission: Impossible film series. I've written about this fairly extensively so I won't repeat myself here, but, basically, if you think the first or third is the best, you don't really like Mission: Impossible, which is fine. I do, though, so I'm glad they're making another. I'm just not sure about McQuarrie. Brad Bird was the perfect director for Ghost Protocol because he's funny and has an animator's eye for composition and action. I don't think McQuarrie can fill his shoes.
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Msg #2: On 8/17/2014 at 8:15:36 PM, PunkNerd replied, saying:
lol classic Ostro: If you don't agree with me, you're just really not into the franchise. Man oh man, are you really so self unaware?
Replies: 3, 4
Msg #3: On 8/17/2014 at 8:55:04 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #2, saying:
Classic PunkNerd: being a horse's ass. Ghost Protocol is the only one that even resembles the old TV show. DePalma's film comes close, but it (1) steals from other movies too much and (2) turns the protagonist from the TV show into the main bad guy in a political turncoat plot that makes no sense. You might like the other films better if you don't like the show's formula and prefer other types of action movies, but Ghost Protocol simply is the best film version of Mission: Impossible.
Msg #4: On 8/17/2014 at 9:13:26 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #2, saying:
Do you only exist to add your shitstirring comments to threads where it's not needed?
Why the fuck couldn't you just ask Ostro "why do you feel that way" instead of needlessly trying to insult him? Seriously, your opinion sucks and you need to do better.
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Msg #5: On 8/17/2014 at 9:38:19 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #4, saying:
You are no better than he is, as 90% of your posts are you nosing into arguments between other people to throw vulgarity laced insults at people and angrily overreacting to things that don't even concern you. Ostro is perfectly capable of fighting his own fights, and he takes the time to explain himself and his opinions, even to a moronic troll like punknerd who is just trying to get a rise out of him.
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Msg #6: On 8/17/2014 at 9:49:17 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #1, saying:
I dunno... I had my doubts about Bird taking on a big live-action movie like Ghost Protocol given his limited experience, and he turned out the best film in the franchise, so there really is no judging a book by its cover. McQuarrie hasn't directed many films, with Jack Reacher being the only one I've seen, but that was a solid movie and showed that he knows how to compose an action scene and action-less dialogue scenes, and he has a good working relationship with Cruise. Plus, most of the movies he has written or cowritten have been really good, with X-men, The Wolverine, Valkyrie (another Cruise film), Jack the Giant Slayer, and Edge of Tomorrow (yet another Cruise flick) being notable standouts, so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Msg #7: On 8/17/2014 at 10:51:09 PM, PaulSF replied, saying:
Ostro is onto something, though. I love the first and third, but GP had me largely disinterested in nearly everything happening. I even like the John Woo one more. MI2 revels in its cheese and is dripping with style. GP is hamstrung by its cheese and has no style whatsoever.
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Msg #8: On 8/17/2014 at 11:10:46 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #5, saying:
At least I can phrase my opinion intelligently lmao. But you're right, all I've done lately is get into fights with people (i also apologize when it's not warranted but ok only focus on the bad)
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Msg #9: On 8/18/2014 at 12:45:26 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #7, saying:
I don't see how you could possibly say that Ghost Protocol has no style. It's the least stylized of the four films, but the other three were made by filmmakers who have made careers out of style over substance.
Msg #10: On 8/18/2014 at 3:21:40 AM, PunkNerd replied to Msg #8, saying:
I doubt Ostro cares much about my opinion anyways, so I'm not sure why you had an aneurysm about it, nor do I know how I could have phrased my opinion much more intelligently than I did. I don't know a lot of big words though, so I can't be a "professional film critic" who doesn't get paid. HA! That one was meant to get a rise out of Ostro, but I bet it didn't. :(
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Msg #11: On 8/18/2014 at 11:27:51 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #10, saying:
You overestimate how much I actually cared when I posted that reply. Trust me, you aren't that important.
Msg #12: On 8/18/2014 at 11:58:44 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
With Ving Rhames returning, does that make Simon Pegg's character redundant?
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Msg #13: On 8/18/2014 at 12:13:47 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #10, saying:
No, it didn't. If you seriously think that, you don't know what the word "professional" means.
Msg #14: On 8/18/2014 at 2:19:52 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #12, saying:
I'm guessing they will probably use that in the movie and have Pegg and Rhames constantly trying to outshine each other. They were both in 3 (and briefly 4) as well, so I'm not too concerned.
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Msg #15: On 8/18/2014 at 3:11:25 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #14, saying:
Crap, I forgot Pegg was in 3. I haven't seen it in a while.
Msg #16: On 8/18/2014 at 5:38:17 PM, Narrator replied, saying:
Apparently I don't really like mission impossible. I guess I'm just a fan of good, interesting villain and intense personal stakes instead of bland bad guy, and a plot with very high stakes but they're so vague that I don't really care what's happening in the movie.
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Msg #17: On 8/18/2014 at 8:09:57 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #16, saying:
It's fine and dandy to have interesting and memorable villains, just so long as it doesn't destroy the characterization of them before it - primarily in the case of 1, where they inexplicably made the TV show's protagonist suddenly turn evil.
It also makes sense for there to be high, national stakes - they're part of an international intelligence and espionage agency, they would probably be involved with some serious shit.
Msg #18: On 8/18/2014 at 9:21:09 PM, Varan101 replied, saying:
Personally I found MI:III to be overrated - particularly the villain and the performance of Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Msg #19: On 8/19/2014 at 8:26:06 PM, raptor2000 replied, saying:
Personally I found M:I:III to be excellent, but I'll admit 4 showed the team dynamic much better and was an overall better movie. 3 still had a better villain, though.
Msg #20: On 8/19/2014 at 8:33:01 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
I definitely like 1 and 3 the best.
4 was just too silly and unmemorable for me, the only two bits I do remember were the played for laughs infiltrations with Pegg's giant face on the projector and the batteries failing on Cruise's super glove.
The first film has two of the most memorable action scenes in film history with a great cast to tie the whole film together, it's just a bit too grim and serious. 3 had the best villain and a nice balance between high stakes intensity and a somewhat more playful tone that is wholly absent from the first film.
The second I have only seen once, but I remember thinking it was incredibly badass and didn't understand the hate it got for all these years. Not particularly Mission Impossibley but badass all the same.
And the fourth I barely remember.
Msg #21: On 9/11/2014 at 7:32:57 PM, raptor2000 replied, saying:
The team.
Msg #22: On 7/31/2015 at 2:31:35 AM, PaulSF replied, saying:
Good enough, I suppose. Though mainly due to the cast and a few truly stand out set-pieces, but I still haven't really been blown away by one of these in an overall kind of way in nine years. Way, wayy too long at two and a half hours with some pacing issues including drawn out expository scenes in the latter half, and another meh villain with a so-so climax. There's probably a killer 90 minute movie in here, but sadly it goes on for nearly another hour. Not really sure where the high critical acclaim with these are coming from in the face of the first and third being better films from where I'm sitting, though evidently this has to do with them being more faithfully representative of the material. I thought it was simply good, and I didn't regret paying to see it once. 7/10
Also thought it was kinda visually lazy, I mean severely lacking in original style of any kind, and probably made me appreciate the look of Bird's work all the more.
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Msg #23: On 8/4/2015 at 3:16:12 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #22, saying:
I actually thought this was quite impressive.
Christopher McQuarrie is just a tremendous craftsman, delivering the best entry since the ‘96 De Palma picture. I like the standalone nature of these stories, the increasing bravery and ingenuity of Cruise in approaching these stunts and the total understanding of the tone required by Baldwin, Pegg etc. The Vienna opera house sequence is simply a great setpece, wonderfully conceived and beautifully executed by McQuarrie, Cruise and Rebecca Ferguson. Ghost Protocol was essentially the astounding Dubai sequence with a skeleton film wrapped around it. McQuarrie’s picture, by comparison, keeps throwing on the great moments and boundless energy making for yet another terrific summer action picture after the highs of Furious 7 and Mad Mad: Fury Road.
Solid 4 stars.
Msg #24: On 8/5/2015 at 5:50:27 AM, Cameron replied, saying:
My favorite in the series, and probably my favorite action movie of the summer. Loved Rebecca's character, made the plot interesting to me, always something happening. The opening Plane sequence was fun, the Opera House scene was brilliant start to finish, the water sequence was shot extremely well and was intense. The chase that followed was great, both the car and motorcycle halves, and the climax was good in how it used both the action and the characters intelligence regarding their plan in the endgame.
The action was shot beautifully overall which was nice. I really don't have any complaints on this one. Enjoyed it thoroughly
Msg #25: On 8/20/2015 at 7:44:56 AM, Dac replied, saying:
I liked it. The fourth was a bunch of skilful action setpieces strung together clumsily. This one actually felt like it had a plot and a villain. I liked.
Msg #26: On 8/23/2015 at 6:02:06 AM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying:
Got around to seeing it tonight. The plot twists and turns kept me guessing and the action was good. Not stunning like Mad Max, but good. The motorcycle chase and opera house scenes were definitely standouts. The villain wasn't super memorable but was also good, he seemed like an adequate foil to Ethan and they did a good job of showing him in complete control right up to the end when Ethan finally outsmarted him.
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