#425 If you look carefully (and know something about guns), you can see that Muldoon's gun is not cocked and has the safety on right before he's killed in JP. Poor Muldoon. (From: Rexy!) Prev - Next
Going off this, I expect he'll play Scott Lang. I'm OK with this. Don't know a lot about Lang, but with Wright and Cornish at the helm, I'm happy to wait and see
Msg #1: On 12/20/2013 at 2:55:55 PM, Ostromite replied, saying: I don't like Paul Rudd. I don't really understand his appeal. He almost invariably acts like a huge cock (to great effect in Wet Hot American Summer), but he's also handsome in a soft Tom Hanks way, so he always comes across as smug. I don't know anything about Ant-Man, though, so maybe it makes sense in some weird way.
Msg #2: On 12/20/2013 at 3:23:56 PM, Dac replied, saying: From what I gather about Scott Lang, he's a marginally smug sonofabitch and former thief, which is how he got the suit to begin with. Which not only sounds more like Rudd's thing, but it also means the Avengers line-up doesn't have to get redundant by adding a third scientist (Hank Pym) behind Stark and Banner
Msg #3: On 12/21/2013 at 11:11:08 AM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: This is great news.
I'm a huge Ant-Man fan and I also really enjoy Paul Rudd.
It's a shame that Hank Pym is relegated to the mentor role, as I always felt that he was a great character with deep flaws -- beyond the wife beating. But seeing as they already removed Pym's greatest 'achievement' by making Stark the creator of Ultron, it's not a huge deal.
Didn't see that coming. Intriguing choice.
Msg #5: On 1/14/2014 at 9:16:41 AM, Bryan replied, saying: I don't know much about the character beyond the Avengers Assemble TV show, but I'm happy this project is getting off the ground. I'm in.
Msg #6: On 5/24/2014 at 11:20:12 PM, Ostromite replied, saying: Edgar Wright dropped out after a bunch of re-writes, so nobody gives a shit about this movie any more and they might as well not even make it.
Msg #7: On 5/25/2014 at 1:44:47 AM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying: Yep, may as well abandon ship now. Seems like really bad news if Edgar bailed out. Now all the nerd cred is gone and really who gives a shit about Ant-Man outside of nerds? Who's gonna create hype for this movie for you if you just pissed all your nerd cred away? Should have just given in to anything Edgar wanted. Replies: 11
Msg #8: On 5/25/2014 at 1:57:09 AM, Cameron replied, saying: i'm more excited now to be honest, I haven't liked a single movie Wright has directed, so I just don't care that he's gone. I am just excited that ant Man is actually getting a movie. Don't care if Edgar is involved or not Replies: 9
Msg #9: On 5/25/2014 at 5:31:11 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #8, saying: Disney/Marvel's meddling has ended any interest I had in this movie.
No Wright. No interest.
Msg #10: On 5/25/2014 at 6:45:29 AM, raptor2000 replied, saying: I think Marvel has proven themselves enough times now to give them the benefit of the doubt, so while it sucks to lose someone who clearly had a passion for the project, until and unless I see something to make me think otherwise, I'll assume they know what they are doing.
That said, the possibility of an Ant Man movie has never really excited me anyway. Replies: 12
My favorite Ant-Man story though was the Irredeemable Ant-Man by Robert Kirkman of Walking Dead fame. Eric O'Grady was a great character, using his newfound powers to spy on women and other equally scummy activities.
Msg #12: On 5/25/2014 at 7:09:57 AM, Bryan replied to Msg #10, saying: Marvel largely knows what their doing with their own properties. It's Disney that has me concerned going forward.
Msg #13: On 5/25/2014 at 12:12:07 PM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying: Marvel has made plenty of downright terrible or at least mediocre films. Iron Man 2? Replies: 14, 15
Msg #14: On 5/25/2014 at 3:33:38 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #13, saying: A mediocre Marvel movie is still better than most of the competing studios' Marvel movies (Hulk, Fantatic Four, Daredevil, X-men Origins, The Last Stand, Blade Trinity, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-man 1& 2, etc.).
And I've yet to see a MCU film I've disliked. A couple could have been better, but I've enjoyed them all. The same can't be said about any other superhero franchise from ANY studio (ok, maybe Hellboy).
This is just my opinion, as if I needed to express that. Sorry if you guys disagree, but I guess I just don't hold Edgar Wright in as high regard as you all do, and the MCU has more good films in its catalogue than Wright does in his. Marvel just hasn't given me a reason to doubt them...yet. Replies: 19
Msg #15: On 5/25/2014 at 4:52:34 PM, Bryan replied to Msg #13, saying: Marvel has made, by my count, one stinker: Iron Man 2. That's not exactly the definition of 'plenty.' Replies: 17
Msg #16: On 5/25/2014 at 5:44:19 PM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying: IIRC a lot of people hated Iron Man 3 (I actually didn't). I personally didn't think the first Iron Man was all that great either, just mediocre. Same with Thor. Captain America was better than ok but had problems. Winter Soldier is definitely good. Avengers is great. Haven't seen Thor 2/Hulk but lots of people didn't like them either.
Compared to Edgar Wright whose entire body of work has been impeccable (Spaced, Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim, The World's End) not just comedically but dramatically and features very well shot action as well.
Msg #17: On 5/25/2014 at 5:49:28 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #15, saying: The Incredible Hulk (Ang Lee actually bothered to make a unique looking film with a story in contrast to what Leterrier shit out; flawed as it may be in places) Thor: The Dark World
Mediocrity to their core, with aspects of the first Thor and the latter half of the first Captain America fitting the bill comfortably to the point where I wouldn't argue with anyone also listing those two. As much as I enjoy IM3 and The Avengers on a pure surface level, there's not a whole lot going on there, either. Marvel also meddling with Alan Taylor on TDW is well documented. I love how Samuel L, Jackson on The Daily Show introduced TWS by saying "It's the first one with a plot!" :lol They're products over anything remotely unique or emotionally driven. All interest gone on Ant-Man with Wright leaving for me as well. Not surprising at all. Good on him for walking away from the paycheck.
Thank God Sony and Fox have Spider-man and X-Men.
Msg #18: On 5/25/2014 at 5:54:24 PM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying: Completely agreed. Despite Joss Whedon's involvement in The Avengers they are so blatantly film products. I know all Hollywood films are products but you can tell which ones have less creative control from its cast and crew.
Marvel has not made any really BAD films thanks to this, but they will never make a GREAT one with their iron grip control over the process and how to make these movies as marketable as possible.
Meanwhile you can tell every Edgar Wright film is within his complete control and comes straight from the man's heart. There is no compromise. I'm sure Scott Pilgrim could have been a financial success if he had less control over it but thank god that didn't happen. Looks like Marvel tightened the grip on Ant-Man and Edgar said fuck this. Good on him.
Msg #19: On 5/25/2014 at 6:11:25 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #14, saying: Forgot to mention, with every stinker that a non-Marvel studio makes, a fucking great one emerges that is better than anything Marvel Studios has done with the possible exception of The Winter Soldier.
X1, X2, X-Men First Class, X-Men DOFP, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2 are all undeniably better films (and IMO ASM2, arguably) than anything in the MCU. All of these movies speak to the human condition and are fantastically directed and acted. The Winter Soldier is the only one in the MCU where I've said "Wow, this movie actually said something and will stick with me". The Avengers, as fun as it is, failed on that level with me. There's nothing wrong with fun, and Paul and I have vehemently argued that, but I'm doubting either of us will argue that the strictly fun movies that we defend are going to stick with us for a while.
Msg #20: On 5/25/2014 at 9:36:26 PM, Cameron replied, saying: I don't like his style of humor, so I disliked Shaun of the Dead strongly. Didn't even finished Hot Fuzz. Will never attempt at World's End. And If I made a list of my top 10 most hated films ever, Scott Pilgrim would probably be on there.
I also agree Marvel has made some bad movies, namely Iron Man 2 & 3 and Thor 2. But I am honetly glad Wright is out of Ant Man, and am more excited for it now than I was Replies: 21
Msg #21: On 5/25/2014 at 10:41:20 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #20, saying: I enjoyed Shaun and Hot Fuzz, but I really disliked World's End, and I had a hard time seeing how Wright's blend of humor would fit in a Marvel film anyway. Besides, when you make a movie for a big studio like Disney, sometimes you have to play by their rules, especially with something like the MCU where they are striving so hard to maintain continuity and connectivity between all of their films. It sucks that he devoted so much time to a movie that he's not even going to make now, but that's just how the game is played, and as long as the movie is good I really don't care who is behind the camera.
For the last time, this is all just my opinion and I really could not care less if any of you don't agree with me, so I'm not even going to bother reading Paul and Vinny wanking each other off in response to my last post. I already was hesitant and leery of this movie, so a director changeup isn't really going to change my opinions one way or the other. If in fact the issue was, though, that Marvel wanted the movie to be more connected with the other films in the MCU and Wright wanted it to be stand-alone, and sorry, but that is just tough for him. As always, though, I'm sure we have not gotten the full story from either side. Replies: 22, 23
Msg #22: On 5/25/2014 at 10:55:59 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #21, saying: We were actually mostly responding to Bryan.
I mean..... whatever... I don't care... and that's just like, my opinion, man
Msg #26: On 5/27/2014 at 2:17:15 AM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: Ohhh... and I was almost certain that Project Ant-Krieger was going to work.
Well, here you go. Take all the horrible eye-gougingly obnoxious and stupid, in your face american humor you can handle, folks.
Msg #30: On 5/31/2014 at 7:46:05 AM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: Ruben Fleischer is probably the better choice of the three.
Granted, Gangster Squad was pretty weak... but I did enjoy Zombieland.
It's pretty sad though. I really enjoy all three of the Ant-Men (Pym, Lang and O'Grady), and was excited the moment I saw Edgar Wright attached to the project. I'll still hold on judgement... but Wright was really passionate for the project.
This'll probably go down as a misstep in the Marvel books, though. But they pretty much were setting that up anyways when they took Pym's greatest achievement and regret away from him. Replies: 31
Msg #31: On 5/31/2014 at 11:20:13 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #30, saying: They just updated and Adam said he probably can't do it.
Ruben would probably be best but I'm firmly in the "Zombieland is overrated" camp. But definitely better than the other guy.
Msg #32: On 6/1/2014 at 3:00:50 AM, Cameron replied, saying: Marshal would be better than Ruben in my opinion. Zombieland was ok. But Gangster Squad was awful, and it was badly pointlessly stylized and he did terrible with a decent budget and incredible cast. don't want him near a marvel property
Msg #33: On 6/1/2014 at 12:10:17 PM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: The fact that it's all directors primarily known for comedies concerns me...
Here's an idea... Why not give the job to James Gunn? Guardians of the Galaxy seems like it's going to be a huge hit, and Gunn seems like he'd be a natural fit in there.
There's also Phil Lord and Chris Miller, hot off the Lego Movie and with 22 Jump Street around the bend.
I wouldn't be adverse to Shane Black either.
And the best choice? Joe Cornish. Christ, he co-wrote the script. That one, I suspect was considered, but he may have turned it down.
Infact, I wouldn't be surprised if some others did turn it down because of Wright's departure.
Anyways, those four choices would be MILES above any of the three above.
Of course, the best option is for Marvel to get on their knees and beg Edgar Wright to come back. Let him do whatever he fuckin' wants and give him whatever he needs! Would that be so goddamn hard? Replies: 34
Msg #34: On 6/1/2014 at 2:50:08 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #33, saying: I know right
Don't tell that to Cameron though. Edgar Wright is actually an overrated hack
LOL
Msg #35: On 6/1/2014 at 3:54:09 PM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: Oh man... Shaun of the Dead might just be one of my favorite comedies of all time with Stripes and Ghostbusters. Hot Fuzz and The World's End were great too. Scott Pilgrim is also one of my top favorites. There's few movies that so successfully capture the spirit of their source material. And I have a crush on Mary Elizabeth Winstead.
Msg #36: On 6/1/2014 at 11:45:13 PM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying: If you've only seen Hot Fuzz a couple times I highly recommend watching it again. It's one of those extremely rare comedies that seems to get funnier every time you watch it.
Msg #37: On 6/2/2014 at 12:13:54 AM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: What's a few times. Because I've seen it probably twenty. It's usually one of those movies I'll throw on if I see HBO or Showtime running it at night.
Then I started watching it when it went up on Netflix, and I think I got sidetracked when a new season of Archer went up. Then Netflix pulled it.
Msg #40: On 6/2/2014 at 5:08:21 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #38, saying: Of course, it's fantastic. But his films are better IMO since they're tighter due to running time. Still a great show with great female perspective due to Jessica's writing.
Msg #41: On 6/4/2014 at 2:01:52 PM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: There's now reports that Rawson Marshall Thurber has turned down the directing job.
That also comes on the news that Fleischer is the front runner to direct Ghostbusters 3.
Msg #42: On 6/4/2014 at 5:55:17 PM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: Two new names -- both comedy directors -- have popped up.
I'm on my cell phone though so I can't post a link to verify it. Trust me!
Msg #43: On 6/4/2014 at 9:59:51 PM, Cameron replied, saying: I think the big issue with Wright stepping away due to the creative differences is that with the huge, connected film universe, Marvel has to pretty much control what's in the film to about a 90% degree, and Wright strikes me as someone who wants full control of the project. And Wright had been attached since 2006 or so wasn't it? Before the Marvel Cinematic Universe even was a thing? So when he got on board with the project, he probably assumed that Marvel would never care about Ant Man, and then the connected universe happens, and it just fucked things up there Replies: 44
Msg #44: On 6/4/2014 at 10:40:19 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #43, saying: That may be true, but when you are making a movie that is part of a franchise for a big studio, especially one with an established and successful formula, you have to play by the same rules as the rest of the team. After all, this movie is just one piece in a much bigger picture and it needs to mesh with the other films, both thematically and plot-wise. Come release time, it is Disney's money at stake, not Wright's. Replies: 46
Msg #45: On 6/5/2014 at 2:38:06 AM, Cameron replied, saying: Exactly, not disputing that, I just think that's why Wright left, he thought he was going to get to do his own thing, and now it's got to be part of the cinematic universe, so it needs to tow the company line, and Wright didn't want a part of that
Msg #46: On 6/5/2014 at 5:17:24 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #44, saying: Cameron has been hating on Wright this whole thread, pretty obvious he was in agreement with what you said :)
It is their money at stake but like I said... this movie is based completely on nerd cred. Nobody gives a shit about Ant-Man. This movie will flop massively unless the new director turns it into something amazing.
Msg #47: On 6/5/2014 at 9:30:32 PM, Cameron replied, saying: You know, just because I don't like him, you don't need ot bring it up in every fucking post you know. I made a legit post explaining why I thought he left, and you're just popping in like "Oh, don't say anything good haha Cameron" and it's getting really obnoxious Replies: 48
Msg #48: On 6/5/2014 at 11:41:12 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #47, saying: In that context I was actually just saying raptor should chill out because you basically said exactly what he said.
And the average moviegoer didn't care about Iron Man or Thor until Marvel put out their respective first installments, and those movies turned out great...it appears the same will be true of Guardians of the Galaxy, and all three of those directors agreed to play by Marvel's rules and still turned out great movies and huge financial successes. Replies: 52
Msg #50: On 6/6/2014 at 10:29:15 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying: I don't care if Wright was going to fill this movie with wall to wall female to female ass to ass, it's still fucking Ant-Man and short of a can of Raid vs Janet Van Dyke I don't give a shit.
Peyton Reed's filmography stinks. That is all. Although he did direct several episodes of Mr. Show AND the Back to the Future animated series. He also wrote the script for the ride... But I digress.
David Wain is an interesting choice. I don't know if he's the best fit for an action film -- but we'll see.
Msg #52: On 6/7/2014 at 11:19:20 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #49, saying: Iron Man is definitely popular... and Thor is easily marketable because he's a badass handsome motherfucker... you really think Ant-Man is as marketable as those two? And I actually heard of Thor before they announced a movie about him. Can't say the same for Ant-Man. Hell, look at their wikipedia pages and it's pretty clear which one is more established.
Also, at the risk of Ostro-ing and overexplaining the obvious here, when I repeat something Paul has said, it's to agree with him and reaffirm a point, whereas you sounded like you completely misinterpreted what Cameron was saying and were informing of something that he already said (as demonstrated by your "That may be true, but" at the beginning of your post).
Msg #53: On 6/7/2014 at 11:48:49 PM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: To be fair, Iron Man was nowhere near popular when they made the first one. He only really got as big as he did after that first film.
Infact, many writers turned down the chance to write the first film due to him being somewhat obscure. Marvel took a huge risk with that first film.
So not only do we get a director with... less-than-stellar credits, but Adam McKay will be "contributing" to the script. Sigh...
I'm crushed, and I was probably one of the biggest flag-bearers for Ant-Man.
Phase Three seemed to be poised with Marvel taking risks on new properties -- Ant-Man, Doctor Strange and possibly Black Panther.
Atleast there's Guardians of the Galaxy still. Replies: 55
Msg #54: On 6/8/2014 at 9:28:49 AM, PaulSF replied, saying: Trainwreck (not that one).
Msg #55: On 6/8/2014 at 10:26:10 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #53, saying: He's definitely more popular than Ant-Man though. And casting RDJ was another good move because of how controversial it was and when reviews came out that he performed really well people felt intrigued to see it. Can't say the same will happen with Paul Rudd.
Bring It On (2000) Down with Love (2003) The Break-Up (2006) Yes Man (2008)"
LMAO
Oh dear Jesus this movie has a 95% chance of being a total stinker now. Really too bad for Ant-Man fans. Looks like Marvel just wanted a "Yes Man". Replies: 57
Msg #57: On 6/8/2014 at 12:04:43 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #56, saying: Only two of those are bad. Down With Love is actually a pretty fun, if lame, movie, and Bring It On is Showgirls for 12-year-old gay kids.
Msg #58: On 6/8/2014 at 8:33:22 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying: Bring It On was the fucking best teen movie of that time period you shut your whore mouth. Replies: 63
Msg #59: On 6/8/2014 at 9:51:07 PM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying: Have I entered Bizarro world Replies: 61
Msg #60: On 6/8/2014 at 9:58:54 PM, raptor2000 replied, saying: So...you guys are gonna bash Reed on his lack of experience in the genre...but tell everyone to give Trevorrow a chance on JW despite his equal lack of experience.
Ok.
I've seen two of his movies. I remember The Break Up wasn't great but Yes Man was enjoyable enough. Whatever...I wasn't that excited for this movie to begin wth, so this doesn't really change my opinion one way or another. I will still see it. Replies: 62
Msg #61: On 6/8/2014 at 10:14:26 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #59, saying: not everyone can relate to fucking a pie bro
Msg #62: On 6/8/2014 at 10:28:03 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #60, saying: I have no clue what you're talking about. Nobody said he lacked experience. He has 4 movies under his belt, just as many as Edgar. We're saying his movies are shit. Please point out one instance where somebody said it had anything to do with a lack of experience.
And full trailer will be shown during Marvel's Agent Carter tomorrow night. Replies: 67
Msg #67: On 1/5/2015 at 9:55:37 PM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #66, saying: That "ant-sized" teaser was like a really bad joke. Fucking hated it, especially after they ended up releasing the full-sized teaser a day later.
"Teasers" to trailers are stupid, and Marvel found a way to make a pointless idea even worse.
Again with MS taking a comic I know absolutely nothing about and getting me interested. Felt very intimate and character centric for a blockbuster trailer with a nice little fun had at the silly name at the end. Good vibes.
Like it did with the misfit crew of last year's Guardians of the Galaxy, Marvel introduces another unlikely hero to the mainstream — when film audiences first meet Scott Lang, he's walking out of prison. Yet Ant-Man is "one of the most surprisingly emotional" movies in the Marvel canon, says producer Kevin Feige. Lang has committed crimes that estrange him from his wife and 4-year-old girl, and Pym seeks a similar redemption with his own daughter (Lilly). "Hank Pym invented the Ant-Man technology, went on many adventures and is now much older and trying to recruit a new person,'' says Feige. "It's the first film we've made in which the story is about a torch being passed, essentially." www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/01/05/2014-geek-movie-preview/21251669/
Msg #70: On 1/6/2015 at 10:44:15 PM, JPwonderboy replied, saying: My opinion hasn't fully formed yet. It's certainly more somber and darkish than fun and light, which was a surprise. Either way, my ass will be in a theater seat come July.
Msg #71: On 1/7/2015 at 12:20:08 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying: Another superhero film. So exciting.
Msg #72: On 1/7/2015 at 11:49:50 AM, Ostromite replied, saying: Whatever. I'm so sick of talking about trailers. Replies: 75, 77
Msg #73: On 1/7/2015 at 1:38:45 PM, elementry replied, saying: I'm a Marvel apologist and even I thought this trailer was crap.
Msg #74: On 1/7/2015 at 3:14:17 PM, PaulSF replied, saying: Fuck everything; fuck the world. Fuck you. Fuck me. Fuck it. Fuck.
Msg #75: On 1/7/2015 at 4:11:17 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #72, saying: I have never once read you express your distaste for an established formula. Not with summer movies or their trailers. This is a twofer. Replies: 76
Msg #76: On 1/7/2015 at 4:44:54 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #75, saying: What are you talking about?
Msg #77: On 1/7/2015 at 4:51:16 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #72, saying: Trailers have a formula... so what? "Trailers are designed to please a wide audience!" No shit, Sherlock.
Not the best MCU addition, but still not too bad. I think there's some positive potential for when the character is included in the upcoming Civil War story arc.
