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"Avengers: Age of Ultron" On 7/23/2013 at 4:41:17 PM, Pteranadon2003 started the thread:
Ok so I went to Comic Con this past weekend and got to see the panels (and footage!) of "Robocop" and "The Amazing Spider-Man 2") but I missed ALOT of stuff, including the surprise announcement by Joss Whedon himself that the new Avengers film will be called "Avengers: Age of Ultron".
Anyone familiar with the origins of Ultron will know that in the comic, Hank Pym (Ant-Man) created him and well...learned to regret it. Whedon went on record at Comic Con and said that Pym would NOT be in "Avengers: Age of Ultron". So who creates Ultron? My guess is Tony Stark, and I have a feeling in the months and months of negotiations with Marvel the agreement that was settled with Downey Jr. wasn't JUST a big paycheck, but probably had something to do with Marvel going this route in the sequel.
Wild speculation I know, but Downey Jr. is the only actor who has any creative input into these films so...yeah. There you have it. My two cents.
I'm very excited though, as I think someone like Thanos should be saved for Avengers III.
Msg #1: On 7/23/2013 at 9:12:01 PM, Varan101 replied, saying: I thought Loki was a pretty good villain choice for the first movie. Not sure about this one. Replies: 2
Msg #2: On 7/23/2013 at 11:30:12 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #1, saying: I agree. I'm sure they will do a good job with Ultron, but I'm just not as enthused about him as I was about Loki...probably because Loki had already been set up in an earlier movie.
Msg #3: On 7/24/2013 at 12:07:26 AM, Cameron replied, saying: I'm sure i'll still really enjoy the movie, and when it's closer to release, I'll get excited for it. But as of now, I'm pretty upset they're doing Ultron and just shafting Hank Pym's role with creating Ultron, because to me, it seems literally POINTLESS to bother doing an Ant Man film and even introducing Pym, because with him, dealing with Ultron is kind of the ultimate payoff, and biggest source of character development. I was actually looking forward to the ant-Man film before this announcement, now, I don't think I could care any less about it, even with Wright doing it, there's just no point in bringing him in now. You may as well just scrap Ant Man, and do Black Panther, Doctor Strange or Luke Cage instead now.
Msg #4: On 7/24/2013 at 12:21:36 AM, Cameron replied, saying: That being said, from the casual audience standpoint, if they go the route of Stark accidentally creating him, I do see the benefits. Mainly being he is the most well known and popular character that moviegoers care about, and it would add an interesting development in regards to the teams trusting of Stark and that type of stuff, ditto if it's just SHIELD that makes him. But even if it is Stark Industries and mostly Tony himself responsible for the creation of Ultron, something as simple as having Hank Pym on his team and involved with the creation of it would be sufficient for me, just because that would be a neat little thing to show they tried with that.
Plu,s if they had gone that route, if Pym was indeed the Ant Man in the movie coming out, part of the reason he becomes a superhero in the movies continuity could be presented as his guilt for his involvement with the Ultron project. And if it's Lang as Ant Man, then it didn't really hurt anything anyways and would be a nice touch/easter egg for the fans.
I just wish they wouldn't exclude Pym from this completely.
Msg #5: On 7/24/2013 at 7:53:30 PM, Mr. Chaos replied, saying: ...so they go to all that trouble setting up Thanos, getting people hyped for Thanos... and do Ultron?
That sound you hear is a trumpet going waaa waaa waaaaaaaaa
Msg #6: On 7/24/2013 at 8:31:55 PM, Ostromite replied, saying: The audacity they have to be so sure that this Marvel franchise machine will have enough momentum to roll through three of these "phases" that they would postpone a setup like that for a half-decade.
Msg #7: On 7/24/2013 at 10:55:28 PM, Varan101 replied, saying: I'm okay with that so long as they build up Thanos. The main reason Loki worked is because we knew him already. Ultron just suddenly showing up in one Avengers movie with no build up seems like a recipe for a bad movie.
Msg #8: On 7/24/2013 at 10:59:03 PM, Neo The 1 replied, saying: While part of me would agree, I can't help but marvel(HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!) at the idea of churning out 15 to 20 interconnected films in less than a decade. Replies: 9
Msg #9: On 7/24/2013 at 11:04:09 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #8, saying: Think of this, though: they're going to make 15 to 20 interconnected Marvel superhero films in half as many years, alongside unofficially connected Spider-Man and X-Men movies that are legally kept separate but still fill in the gaps of the cinematic Marvel universe, and it's all but absolutely guaranteed to not include the Clone Saga or Kurt Busiek's Marvels.
Msg #10: On 7/24/2013 at 11:35:00 PM, Neo The 1 replied, saying: The one and only positive is that if, somehow, this superhero wave continues to just chug right along, is that we might actually see versions of those eventually.
I mean hell, at some point there has to be a serious Marvel movie, right? Marvels would be great, although I'd give my left nut for a decent Earth X adaptation. Hell, 15-20 years from now when this group of actors is older and they need to figure out where to go after Avengers 6 or whatever the fuck, it would be perfect for the mass team up movie. And by "perfect" I mean "impossible, but awesome."
As always, I will be slowly pining away for Scarlet Spider on screen. I still geek out watching the next to last episode of Spider-Man TAS where they give us a quick glimpse of it.
Msg #11: On 7/25/2013 at 2:58:37 AM, Cameron replied, saying: I just want Marvel to finally make a legit hardcore serious Daredevil movie like it should be. Idon't even want that one connected to the main series lol
Msg #12: On 2/7/2014 at 6:58:38 AM, Dac replied, saying: So since this thread didn't really pick up the casting call, here's the recap:
Ultron = James Spader Quicksilver = Kick-Ass Scarlet Witch = Elizabeth Olson Baron von Strucker = Thomas Kretschmann
And I bring all this up because they just announced a fifth, and that is Paul Bettany as the Vision. Which does kind of make sense, given that it's all but certain Stark is the one who creates Ultron and Bettany already voices JARVIS
Msg #13: On 2/7/2014 at 4:53:36 PM, Reddog2002 replied, saying: So Kick-Ass and Olsen played a couple in Godzilla now playing twin siblings in Avengers 2?
Msg #14: On 2/8/2014 at 3:19:57 AM, Neo The 1 replied, saying: Kick-Ass and Olsen played a couple in Godzilla now playing a couple in Avengers 2.
Msg #15: On 3/20/2014 at 12:57:03 PM, Pteranadon2003 replied, saying: As part of thier "Assembling a Universe" special on ABC the other night, Marvel has released some concept art for the film. Check it out!
Hulk Buster VS The Hulk
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Msg #16: On 10/22/2014 at 8:42:02 PM, Bryan replied, saying: http://io9.com/our-best-look-yet-at-ultron-plus-the-hulkbuster-from-a-1649586887?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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Msg #20: On 10/23/2014 at 9:14:40 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #19, saying: For some reason that trailer just didn't do it for me. I have every confidence in the film being really good but it just didn't hit the sweet spot like those fizzy early teasers for the first film or the early glimpses at the two 2014 Marvel pictures.
-EG
Msg #21: On 10/23/2014 at 12:00:32 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying: Agreed, although the one scene that stuck out to me is Ultron V1 stumbling into their party. That was creepy as fuck and I cannot wait to see it in it's full form.
The fact that The most talked about and effective part of the trailer was a close up of Ultron speaking and not some money shot of Hulk VS Iron Man (which was awesome) shows that they're nailing it when it comes to Ultron . He's not well known among the average movie viewers at all but I don't think anyone will forget him after this.
Msg #23: On 10/23/2014 at 3:04:53 PM, Ostromite replied, saying: It looks like the same old shit and I'm a little confused about how people can still get so excited for movies like this, but I'd be at least a little excited for any mainstream Hollywood movie with James Spader as the villain. Replies: 24
Msg #24: On 10/23/2014 at 3:23:48 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #23, saying: It's like people watch these movies for fun or something. Replies: 25
Msg #25: On 10/23/2014 at 3:26:14 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #24, saying: Har har har. You know what I'm talking about. It's the same damn thing year after year. Every time one of these trailers comes out, everybody jizzes in their pants like they completely forgot about all the other identical superhero movies that came out in the last five years. It's like getting excited for a new porno movie. Replies: 31
Msg #26: On 10/23/2014 at 3:26:35 PM, PaulSF replied, saying: Looks cool. I'm in it to see things like Hulk fight a giant fuckin' Iron Man on-screen, Spader's Ultron who's already frightening, and Whedon whom seems to have improved his cinematic eye going by the footage. Also some general good hints at some thematic conflict, which will surely run over into Cap 3 with Steve and Tony.
Msg #27: On 10/23/2014 at 6:14:57 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying: Sooo Stark accidentally creates Ultron, and Hulk & Thor aren't too happy about it - Captain, too, maybe. That sound about right? Replies: 28
Msg #28: On 10/23/2014 at 6:46:05 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #27, saying: In a nutshell.
Msg #29: On 10/23/2014 at 8:25:16 PM, elementry replied, saying: Ostro: These movies are escapism. When I get home everyday after 12 hours of busting up new, young, disrespectful recruits, I want more than anything to watch something that takes me away. Marvel movies, for whatever reason, do that for me. Replies: 30
Msg #30: On 10/23/2014 at 8:26:47 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #29, saying: I get why people go see them and enjoy them. I'm talking about the hyperbolic responses the trailers and promotional materials get. Replies: 33, 34
Msg #31: On 10/23/2014 at 9:22:10 PM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #25, saying: I like porno.
Does no one else find his face hilarious?
Msg #33: On 10/25/2014 at 9:47:52 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #30, saying: Because this trailer was good? And I'm a known critic of the Marvel films around here but the last two were legitimately good films. GOTG was charmingly funny and Cap 2 had actual themes that are important and relevant to modern society and wasn't just the same old shit again. The first Avengers movie was really fun as well the first go around, even if it was pretty disposable.
Msg #34: On 10/25/2014 at 8:30:43 PM, Bryan replied to Msg #30, saying: I have to agree with Vincent, Lee. A lot of hyperbolic statements are thrown around on this site, and some of us are more guilty than others, but this is a legitimately exciting trailer. It looks like the thematic quality is meatier in this go-around, the cinematography is seemingly much improved over its predecessor and, knowing Joss, there will be more than a few surprises in store. If Marvel goes three winners in a row, I'm going to be very, very impressed.
Msg #35: On 10/27/2014 at 4:48:16 AM, Grizzle replied, saying: I'm probably going to get anally reamed for this, but Ultron looks fucking stupid guys... Why would an AI, who wishes to exterminate the human race, give himself facial features to convey his thoughts and ideas to the very people he's trying to kill?
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Msg #37: On 10/27/2014 at 4:06:29 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #36, saying: I didn't see Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Replies: 38
Msg #38: On 10/27/2014 at 5:40:08 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #37, saying: Msg #25: On 10/23/2014 at 3:26:14 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #24, saying: Har har har. You know what I'm talking about. It's the same damn thing year after year. Every time one of these trailers comes out, everybody jizzes in their pants like they completely forgot about all the other identical superhero movies that came out in the last five years. It's like getting excited for a new porno movie.
You're a jackass if you criticize people for getting excited for the trailers when you haven't even seen the TWO WHOLE MOVIES from this past year. Calmly extract yourself from the conversation if you haven't been keeping up on the subject. Because they were actually good movies, and this trailer was actually good. Replies: 42, 46
Msg #41: On 10/27/2014 at 8:50:56 PM, fordprefect replied, saying: Winter Soldier was good for a comic book film, but it was still completely generic. What was so special about it?
Msg #42: On 10/27/2014 at 9:02:50 PM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #40, saying: Shots FIRED.
Msg #43: On 10/27/2014 at 9:21:34 PM, fordprefect replied, saying: By the way, in the past year we had the following:
Thor: The Dark World Captain America: The Winter Soldier The Amazing Spider-Man 2 X-Men: Days of Future Past Guardians of the Galaxy.
It's closer to half a dozen than two. Replies: 44
Msg #44: On 10/27/2014 at 10:09:32 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #43, saying: Vinny's just being a pedant and only counting the official Marvel Cinematic Universe films and not superhero films in general, even though that's obviously what I was talking about.
And, no, the trailer was actually bad. Ultron is a dumb cliche idea for a villain and he looks like the Terminator with sideburns.
Msg #45: On 10/28/2014 at 2:43:40 PM, Pteranadon2003 replied, saying: Just Announced:
Replies: 48
Msg #46: On 10/28/2014 at 6:48:12 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #40, saying: I'm getting a lot of second-hand embarrassment from this post.
Msg #47: On 10/28/2014 at 7:31:54 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying: I'll be really impressed if they can keep the same casts together through Infinity Gauntlet part 2. An interconnected film universe with only 2 recasts at the very beginning of it all spanning more than 20 films in a little over a decade is crazy levels of ambitious, and I'm extremely excited to see it unfold. We are finally to the point in superhero films where we're seeing more than just origin stories, and it's an exciting time. Obviously they won't all be good, but if the highs can reach Gaurdians of the Galaxy level a few more times it will be worth it. Replies: 49
Msg #48: On 10/28/2014 at 8:30:02 PM, AngelsPhoenix replied to Msg #45, saying: I'm not sure of the word I want to use for that list. Awesome doesn't seem to do it justice.
Chadwick Boseman has been cast as Black Panther.
Msg #49: On 10/28/2014 at 9:24:44 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #47, saying: I've heard rumors that by Avengers 3 (and 4 now, I guess) the lineup of the team will be mostly different. I hope that's not true, as I would like to see at least the original core group together through the end of this storyline with the infinity stones but giving the soaring careers (and ages) of many involved, along with many of their contracts expiring, I would be truly amazed if every major character from the first two Avengers movie is still around by the 3rd and 4th, especially with all the other new heroes that will be established in all these upcoming films, as well as the Guardians of the Galaxy.
I'm also curious to see how Robert Downey, Jr. fits into these plans. When his contract ended after Iron Man 3, he signed a new contract that only covered Avengers 2 and 3. I'm wondering if his appearance in Captain America 3 will substitute for his planned appearance in Avengers 3, or if he is now planning on being in at least 4 additional upcoming Marvel films (Cap. 3, Avengers 2/3/4).
As someone who doesn't read comics, I can't say I'm terribly excited for an Inhumans, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, or Black Panther movie, but I didn't much care about Guardians of the Galaxy when it was announced and it turned out to be arguably my favorite Marvel movie, so I have faith.
Msg #50: On 10/28/2014 at 10:36:33 PM, Varan101 replied, saying: Doctor Strange also has a lot of potential because he's a completely different kind of superhero.
Msg #51: On 10/29/2014 at 2:00:49 AM, PaulSF replied, saying:
By far the best trailer and appreciatively more story driven. I actually feel like I'm really anticipating this now. As Grinch said in contrast to the earlier trailer, this one actually hit the sweet spot. The shots are also genuinely exciting and appealing to look at. So glad Whedon went the way of the Russo's. Replies: 53
Msg #53: On 3/4/2015 at 8:12:32 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #52, saying: Yep, big improvement. More humour, great team shots. Now I'm excited.
Msg #54: On 4/18/2015 at 10:46:42 PM, PaulSF replied, saying: My anticipation is going up and down with this thing. Pretty much every clip released is awful with the exception of this one.
If I'm the only one that cringes during lines like "Dick move, Banner!" which I'm pretty sure only a 13 year old FPS playing male or an advanced neckbeard would say (or write) to sound cool so be it (haha 'dick'), but it sucks. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's dialogue and accents are completely bad, and our psychotic villain gets cute and pokes fun at genre cliches because I needed some Cabin In The Woods flashbacks, and then a fight breaks out that's just random, weightless, nothing. It's feeling like Whedon got comfortable this time around and let himself more off the leash in a Burton with Batman Returns kind of way, only here it's purely through dialogue. I'm sure for Whedon fans that's just great, but now I'm back to a moderate "could be fun." Not something I should feel in a post Captain America: The Winter Soldier world.
Msg #55: On 4/23/2015 at 3:40:15 AM, Adam replied, saying: Saw this last night.
What an absolute blast. Didn't think it was possible to top the first Avengers in terms of spectacle, but... there you go.
Somehow Whedon even managed to give every character their own moments and arc. Yes, even Hawkeye. And the humour is as rampant as ever too. Certainly not as dark as some of those earlier trailers made it out to be.
The Vision was magnificently done too.
Will be catching this once or twice more on the big screen for sure.
And that end credits scene. Yes. Replies: 57
Msg #56: On 4/23/2015 at 11:15:06 PM, PaulSF replied, saying: Seeing Thursday. Keeping expectations rock bottom in the face of action that doesn't look or sound terribly exciting with a supposedly underwhelming, jokey villain and same-movie-again beats. Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World might have a new team member. Hope it does something for me.
Msg #57: On 4/24/2015 at 1:37:55 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #55, saying: So is there a post credit scene or just a mid credits scene? Replies: 58, 61
Msg #58: On 4/25/2015 at 4:25:03 AM, fordprefect replied to Msg #57, saying: No post credit scene in my showing, but there was a mid credits scene. Replies: 59
Msg #59: On 4/25/2015 at 12:34:41 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #58, saying: I'd stick it on a rung ever so slightly below the first, Guardians and Winter Soldier. Great fun but middling MCU effort. Renner was great this time around though.
Msg #60: On 4/25/2015 at 2:37:17 PM, Rick Arnold replied, saying: I'll have to see it while I'm down in Florida this week. Replies: 62
Msg #61: On 4/25/2015 at 7:20:03 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #57, saying: I heard it was actually a pre-credits scene. Can anyone confirm?
Msg #62: On 4/25/2015 at 8:09:38 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #60, saying: I'll be seeing it at the Citywalk theater. Not sure where you'll be, but yup. Replies: 85
Msg #63: On 4/25/2015 at 11:43:09 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying: Hawkeye has always been my favorite avenger so I'm glad he gets shit to do and is often singled out in reviews. Just hope this means he isn't kilt :(
Msg #64: On 4/25/2015 at 11:56:47 PM, PunkNerd replied, saying: My biggest problem with the first flick is there isn't much going on in it. Really the whole film just seemed to be a bunch of scenes where you could imagine Joss and the Suits looking to the camera and saying "look how fucking cool this all is! It's all of them, together!" Hearing that Joss ignores the end of Iron Man 3, just to ape the same progression for the character in this film is a bit worrying. I've always felt Joss was overrated, and while I love Buffy, I think I'm looking forward to when he isn't directing these anymore. Replies: 65
Msg #65: On 4/26/2015 at 2:21:23 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #64, saying: he fucking ignores the ending of Iron man 3?
Msg #66: On 4/26/2015 at 2:30:26 PM, Varan101 replied, saying: I was wondering if they were going to explain why Tony Stark suddenly has his Iron Man suits back considering he destroyed them all. I've heard various statements similar to this that this film basically ignores all character progressions from stand alone films. Hopefully they at least acknowledge the events in Captain America 2 considering how far reaching the outcome is... Replies: 67
Msg #67: On 4/26/2015 at 3:49:06 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #66, saying: The standalone films are pretty much ignored and barely referenced.
Have soured a little over the last 24 hours. It's a good time, but doesn't really add up to much. Can't help feeling a little peeved after the terrific, transformative 2014 the MCU had. Got jaded in the last act. Hordes of CG robots just don't do it for me anymore.
Looks like Daredevil is this years highlight.
Msg #68: On 4/26/2015 at 4:32:10 PM, JPwonderboy replied, saying: Currently sitting at 79% on RT, out of 76 reviews. Very interesting...and surprising. Not that it really matters in terms of box office, but still... Replies: 69
Msg #69: On 4/26/2015 at 5:11:40 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #68, saying: What's surprising about it? Replies: 70
Msg #70: On 4/26/2015 at 5:41:57 PM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #69, saying: Compared to the first Avengers (sitting at 92% Fresh), it just seems odd to me. There are many more reviews to come in, obviously, and 79% isn't a bad tally at all, but to me it's just interesting to see the number this low so soon.
Like I said, it really won't matter in the grand scheme of things...unless the number gets lower.
Msg #71: On 4/27/2015 at 12:01:20 AM, PaulSF replied, saying: The third act just being some tensionless, weak robot attack cartoon is kind of telling me all I need to know about this one in preparation for a 2.5 hour experience with it. It's a sequel about a bunch of badass superheroes, you would expect there to be some actual stakes and tension, but as usual it sounds like Whedon is treating it as comedy hour fluff. Not surprised to see its rating drop. Also hearing it ignore anything the previous films gave us in regards to Tony as a character, or Steve's emotional baggage is pretty fucking stupid. Just hit that sitcom reset button!
Skipping IMAX; might even go standard 2D.
Msg #72: On 4/27/2015 at 9:08:26 PM, raptor2000 replied, saying: Tickets purchased for 7:30 Thursday night. Some of the early word has me a bit worried, but I'm still excited. My assistant at work is actually doing the 11 film marathon. Just under 30 hours. You couldn't pay me enough to do that. Replies: 73, 75
Msg #73: On 4/28/2015 at 1:32:54 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #72, saying: Yea, i don't know if that would even be enjoyable. :X Marathoning the extended editions of LOTR is one thing... Replies: 74
Msg #74: On 4/28/2015 at 1:49:17 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #73, saying: I marathoned the three extended LOTR films with some friends years ago (long before The Hobbit trilogy existed) and, I'll be honest, even in the comfort of one of their homes and taking breaks in between each movie, it was a pretty miserable experience and kind of soured me on the movies for a while. As much as I love movies, I usually can't sit and watch more than maybe two at a time without getting up and doing something else. I just get bored and uncomfortable. I guess at least with a Marvel Marathon you would be getting more of a variety considering all the different characters and directors and stories, but I just can't imagine spending that much time in a movie theater. The closest I've ever come to that is seeing two separate movies in one day at two separate movie theaters.
I thought it was a good deal better than the first. Whedon's direction was actually leagues above his previous outing, so well done to him. I also appreciated that while the plot was convoluted at times, that this film - unlike the previous film, took the time to actually develop the individual characters and their relationships with each other in a way that didn't feel perfunctory. I think people who like the first better may be blinded by how much they enjoyed the novelty of seeing these heroes together for the first time on screen, where as now it's a known factor. AoE is very obviously a better made, written film. ILM's work here was truly fantastic.
An issue that remained? Ultron was a silly villain. Talk about muddled motivation. Any sense of intimidation or threat he starts with is quickly undermined and evaporated as he turns into a light-hearted butt of a joke by Whedon's dialogue spun out of control. Thankfully, everything else around him worked at a full capacity to make up for it that made it very tense and was nowhere, nowhere near as mindless as I was lead to believe. This was 2.5 hours dedicated to character over destruction, and that's the last thing I expected. I think kids and the true drooling fanboys will get bored before the end. Replies: 78
Msg #78: On 5/1/2015 at 3:46:22 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #77, saying: Pretty much completely agreed. Ultron was a lame villain, as was his generic, out-of-nowhere destroy the world scheme, but I enjoyed just about everything else about this movie, from the ample time spent developing each of the Avengers this time around and the quiet dialogue-driven scenes to the fun, entertaining action spectacles (though I was getting a bit bored by the army of identical mindless drones by the end). This was much better than the first film. The only thing I can think of that was better about the first film was that Loki was a MUCH better villain than Ultron.
I have more to say, but it'll have to wait.
8/10
Msg #79: On 5/1/2015 at 5:27:45 PM, JPwonderboy replied, saying: Saw it last night, and it looks as if I may be in the minority here. Because while I did like the movie as far as it went, I also expected this thing to blow me to the back wall of the theater. I walked into AOU expecting the proper experience that I missed out on with the first film. And it wasn't. It felt like an entertaining downgrade from the first AVENGERS. Yes, the action & the set pieces were awesome. Yes, the humor was very welcome (if a tad cheesy from time to time). And I applaud the attempt to infuse a bit of levity to the characters. But the plot felt convoluted, some of the pacing was off...overall, it felt like a rushed, derivative sequel instead of the church-like experience that it needed and deserved to be.
I'm going to see it again here soon, to see if maybe a second time will clear the air and favor up my opinion. For now, I'm ranging between a B and a B- on AOU. This should've been the ESB of the MCU. But in my personal opinion, it just wasn't. It should've been better. Way better.
Msg #80: On 5/2/2015 at 3:51:54 AM, Vinsfeld replied, saying: At the beginning of the movie, the hydra bad guy says he wants to keep something secret from the avengers, anyone know what it was? Replies: 81
Msg #81: On 5/2/2015 at 10:36:16 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #80, saying: I'm fairly certain it was that he was trying to keep them from discovering they had been trying to create weapons using leftover Chitauri weapons and armor, as well as Loki's scepter. Baron even says something along the lines of " if we surrender now and give them the scepter, maybe they'll give up and not keep looking to find what we were working on."
Msg #82: On 5/2/2015 at 2:48:43 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying: When I read shit like that I question why I come to a board with people that are literally dumber than first graders. The thing they were trying to keep secret was the twins. jfc, learn to watch a movie with your head out of your asses. Replies: 83
Msg #83: On 5/2/2015 at 9:18:23 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #82, saying: The twins, and The Vision. But action figures spoiled that surprise. 😏 Replies: 84
Msg #84: On 5/3/2015 at 8:24:25 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #83, saying: Ugh. they're talking about what the Hydra people they raided in the beginning were trying to keep secret in the movie, not what the studio was trying to keep secret from the audience.
This movie wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It doesn't ignore the end of Iron Man 3, really. Tony's chest arc reactor is still gone, and yeah he destroyed his suits in Iron Man 3 but as a symbolic gesture. His goal is the same in this movie, to retire. The drones he has are different ones with a specific purpose, and it seemed to me like his only intent with still being on the team was to find a way to make Ultron.
And what happened in the winter soldier still happened, and is relevant here. Unless I'm missing something I don't think anything was ignored.
Ultron was kind of lame, but the movie is really a Vision origin story, and the influence of the infinity gems on the events. So Ultron was sort of secondary to what was happening and I'm good with that.
Thor mentioned that 4 of the gems have come up in recent events and that's no coincidence so that's confirmation that he knows about what went down in GOTG which I thought was cool.
Captain and Stark left each other on pretty good terms, and Steve is in charge of a bunch of new avengers so I wonder how that's going to tie in to Civil War.
I'm still unclear on how Ultron was moving things with his...mind. And how he was flying around. At first he seemed to use little jet things but later on it seemed like he was just floating. Vision does the same thing but he has the stone which gave him power.
Msg #85: On 5/5/2015 at 11:19:28 AM, Rick Arnold replied to Msg #62, saying: We were going to see it in Fort Walton Beach on the Friday before I left, but it was such a nice day out that we decided to go to the beach on Okaloosa Island and swim and get hammered with the college kids.
Not a bad week, considering I started it by having lunch at Moe's Tavern and the Visitor Center and ended it by swimming near where Jaws 2 was filmed.
And to swerve it back on topic... I did see the film when I got back. And it was great.
Msg #86: On 5/5/2015 at 9:21:20 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying: (spoilers) I get the impression Ultron never would have been a threat if Pepper were in this movie.
"The scepter has intelligence? And you want to put that intelligence in a robot? No."
I just wish Ultron was more developed. At most, he seemed like an edgy dipshit teenager. The most characterization was when he sperged out when compared to Tony Stark.
IMHO Spader did a great job with what he had, but Ultron himself didn't feel like a legitimate threat. WHY was he bad? WHY did he want to end humanity? WHY WHY WHY did he have the motivations he had? Honestly, Ultron didn't even feel like the villain. I wanted more of him.
QS and SW were great though.... Replies: 88, 89
Msg #88: On 5/6/2015 at 1:53:47 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #87, saying: I'm paraphrasing cuz I don't have a link onhand, but Spader kinda emphasized Ultron's childishness and self-centeredness in an interview. Iirc, he compared Ultron to a baby who has no actual, tangible experience with the world and hardly any time spent on it, but has near omniscience - he sees himself as a god.
Idk if that translated to good characterization in the movie cuz I still haven't seen it but it is interesting to read.
Msg #89: On 5/18/2015 at 3:52:05 AM, Mr. Chaos replied to Msg #87, saying: My biggest problem with Ultron was he was... generic. We've seen "Robot wants to kill world, have just robots" a billion times and, let's face it, Ultron's plan boils down to the D&D trope "Rocks fall, everybody dies". I keep imaging him, Loki, Red Skull, Abomination, and Iron Monger sitting around a poker table ala "Almost Got Him"
Skull: Who's turn is it-
Ultron: ME! So there I was, fighting the Avengers in this foreign country! The Scarlet Witch had screwed with their heads and had them fighting each other...
Abomination: And?
Ultron: I threw a rock at them!
(All just stare at him)
Skull:...so Loki, what ever happened to your staff?
Ultron: It was a big rock...
I wish they had done something different with it. Like... make it that Ultron only hates humans. He sees animals as innocent and seeks to save them via his plan. Would make it more interesting if we saw him actually care about dogs and cats and lions and such while murdering tons of people.
Msg #90: On 6/10/2015 at 1:57:42 AM, RezForPrez replied, saying: Friendly reminded that based Hawkeye saved this entire film from being trash.
