It doesn't stand a chance.
Msg #15: On 6/29/2013 at 9:07:57 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #13, saying: Terminator Salvation was described a reboot as well. It was just a sequel.
Msg #16: On 8/7/2014 at 2:57:35 PM, AngelsPhoenix replied, saying: Title is called Terminator Genisys. Replies: 17
Msg #17: On 8/7/2014 at 6:53:19 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #16, saying: That's just the worst fucking title...
Msg #18: On 8/7/2014 at 6:56:18 PM, Ostromite replied, saying: For the worst fucking idea.
Msg #19: On 8/7/2014 at 7:46:02 PM, raptor2000 replied, saying: I'm sure it will have context within the movie. I honestly don't care what the title is as long as it is a good movie, which I sadly kind of doubt it will be but I do hope to be proven wrong. At the very least it has Arnold back. I couldn't care less how old he is. There is no Terminator without him (or at least, there shouldn't be). I am extremely unimpressed with the rest of the cast, though. Replies: 20
Msg #20: On 8/7/2014 at 7:55:00 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #19, saying: The Terminator series should have ended in 1992. Every new addition is a huge mistake.
Msg #21: On 8/7/2014 at 8:54:30 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying: Context
Msg #22: On 8/7/2014 at 9:23:14 PM, JPwonderboy replied, saying: It's as if the studio had a daughter named "Genesis", came to the conclusion that the name was too standard, and re-named the birth certificate to reflect the scuzziest, most dirtiest, white-trash stripper name imaginable. Replies: 23
Msg #23: On 8/7/2014 at 10:40:53 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #22, saying: .... Or, it's as if the name has context within the movie, as C3 just proved. Replies: 25
Msg #24: On 8/8/2014 at 12:27:45 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying: Spoiler: Genisys is Skynet in 2017 Replies: 26
Msg #25: On 8/8/2014 at 12:38:09 AM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #23, saying: Context or no context, it's still balls.
Msg #26: On 8/8/2014 at 12:45:45 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #24, saying: I figured as much. Has a tech-sounding name, like Cyberdine or Skynet. Replies: 27
Msg #27: On 8/8/2014 at 1:28:13 AM, PaulSF replied to Msg #26, saying: Yup. I'm fine with it.
Msg #28: On 8/8/2014 at 2:18:48 PM, AngelsPhoenix replied, saying: Can't complain.
Msg #29: On 8/9/2014 at 2:07:12 AM, Cameron replied, saying: I have no issue with the title. It's an Arnie action movie and I will be there opening day for sure Replies: 30
Msg #30: On 10/30/2014 at 2:16:45 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #29, saying: Those new promo shots are laughably poor. Let's hope they're not indicative of the film itself. Replies: 34
Msg #31: On 10/30/2014 at 2:22:53 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying: I really don't get it at all. So everyone is recast but they're all adults except Sarah is as young or younger than she was in the first terminator annnnnnnnd shes in prison already or what the fuck? Can someone explain the plot of this movie without it making my brain explode from retardedness. Replies: 32
Msg #32: On 10/30/2014 at 3:41:08 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #31, saying: From what I can gather, the movie begins sometime after Terminator Salvation with events having unfolded as they did in the original 4 films. John Connor then sends Kyle Reese back in time to save his mother from the terminator as shown in the first film, however for some reason the past is different than John remembers and has been changed so that a terminator was sent back even earlier to kill Sarah as a child and her parents, and succeeds in killing her parents but another terminator (how many of these freaking things are there?) is sent back to save her and then it raises and protects her until she's an adult and this movie begins, which is why the Arnie terminator is older in this as his flesh has aged.
Is SkyNet going to deploy the Tx-1000 to go back in time to stop the Other terminator from stopping the other Terminator?
Also was that Jet Li?
And Did I see Robert Patrick as well?
Also: Does Sarah know about her Leukemia? Replies: 56, 60
Msg #56: On 12/5/2014 at 11:53:14 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #55, saying: It looks objectively bad, but all of this and more is why I still think it looks entertaining as fuck. Should be a glorious mess. :lol
This looks like utter shit. This looks like the antithesis of The Terminator series. Replies: 62
Msg #62: On 12/6/2014 at 4:32:24 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #61, saying: Huh? All I saw was a dull, nonsensical flick that failed miserably with setting up future installments that those paying movie goers might be interested paying again to see.
Now that I'm thinking about it I'm loling all over again at how they try to explain that whilst John Connor is one of the top priorities on Skynet's kill list, Kyle Reese is above him. Why? We're shown that Kyle Reese is just some lonely vagabond runt scrounging around with some little girl. He shouldn't even pop up on Skynet's radar, let alone be one of their main priorities to kill. But he is. Okay, so let's roll with that for the moment. What's the explanation? One can only assume it's because they somehow know he's Connor's father (how the fuck could they possibly know this?) so that killing him is analogous to killing John Connor himself, retro-active abortion, right? Okay. Keep rolling with it. So what do they do when they fucking capture Kyle Reese? They use him as bait to lure John Connor to Skynet. Why not just kill him? If you magically know he's Connor's father, why wouldn't you just kill and and consequently kill John? And if you don't know he's Connor's father, but that this little nobody is actually just on the top of your kill list for flipping off an HK or something, then why don't you fucking kill him when you capture and identify him anyway? This is all before getting to stupid shit like Helena Bonham Carter talking faces and the writers of the film misquoting the original film's callbacks and getting other details wrong. Also giant Transformers that show up in the middle of the desert of nowhere without a sound. The whole fucking movie makes no sense.
And you know a film is shit when Sam Worthington out-acts Bale. Replies: 63, 65
Msg #63: On 12/6/2014 at 7:10:40 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #62, saying: Salvation is unforgivable simply for squandering its potential. A future war movie! Laser guns, armies of Terminators, post-apocalypse epic craziness as hinted at ever so tantalisingly by Cameron! Most of us grew up fantasising about what that movie might look like and they failed on almost every count to deliver on its promise. It's the worst of the series. This trailer might be bonkers but I'm betting Taylor's film might at least be a low-expectation goofy thrill ride rather than perpetuating the crime of ruining a full future war picture like McG did.
Msg #64: On 12/6/2014 at 7:43:29 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying: Salvation doesn't do a good job explaining what's happening, I would agree there, but let's consider some time paradox musings.
IF SKYNET KNOWS of Kyle Reese being John's father, it must also know that without the sending of him Skynet would never exist in the first place. It won't eliminate Kyle. What Skynet wants to do with him is in question. Based on the original intentions behind the previous scripts for Salvation, the camp was set up as a way of ripping stem cells off prisoners to create flesh for the cyborgs, but not only that... Skynet was populated by hybrids. Marcus wasn't the only one. He was merely the first. It's possible Skynet wanted to create a hybrid out of Kyle. Again, that's not clear. But it could be surmised.
By now, Skynet's realized that killing Connor in the past doesn't work, so it creates the ruse to lure Connor into Skynet and exact a little bit of revenge.
But how does Skynet come across all of this information?
The original timeline of Skynet coming into existence was 1997, a time when much of the internet was still new. Information wasn't readily available, and police records were still kept in filing cabinets.
When Sarah, John, and Uncle Bob changed history and postponed Judgment Day, that left more time for Skynet to become even more sufficient, even more knowledge based on our own advancement of technology and global internet.
When Marcus uploads himself into the mainframe, you can see him accessing all databanks there. News articles about research from Serena and whatnot for Cyberdyne. Who is to say that all those records from Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor explaining the future war weren't on those databanks? That Skynet couldn't piece it all together through those years. It would be pretty easy to find. All the keywords associated in their statements to police would take a milisecond to recover.
The reason I find the film worthy of existing was that I found ideas behind the difference between man and machine interesting. The human hybrid story was a great piece of the mythology that just wasn't executed as well as it could have or as deeply as it needed, but at least it was there.
What is this film really about? Why should I care? It just looks like another run of the mill chase film.
Cameron did it already and he did it with characters that didn't take a backseat to the plot.
Msg #65: On 12/6/2014 at 8:46:01 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #62, saying: I'm guessing Skynet knows Kyle Reese was John's father because Sarah Connor told literally everyone who would listen about her and John's past and the future war. Even though nobody at the hospital took her seriously, Cyberdine obviously did because they found the first Terminator's remains and then hid the evidence. They probably kept in formation on what she was saying, which the machines then acquired when Skynet took over.
It is kind of silly how, once the first Terminator failed to kill Sarah as an adult, rather than Skynet send another Terminator farther back in time when she was even less of a threat, they instead continue sending them farther and farther ahead in time where not only is Sarah more experienced and informed, but her son has been born and is now a threat as well. In that respect, it does make sense how, in this new movie, Skynet would continue sending Terminators back in time to the same time periods they've already attempted to kill her in and, thus, keep altering the timeline. The timeline has already been altered when Sarah and John postponed Judgement Day from the original 1997 or whatever it was to 2003, so it's not that farfetched.
That said, Sarah already being a badass by the 80s and saving Kyle instead of the other way around is kind of silly, and I don't like the goofy physics (though a cartwheeling schoolbus isn't that far removed from the crane sequence from T3), but it's more Terminator with Arnold back so I'll give it a shot. I would've liked to have seen more of the future post Judgement Day rather then once again going to the past with a good Terminator and/or Kyle versus a bad Terminator, but Salvation made the time period seem so bland and uninteresting that it sadly killed most interest in it and probably any chance of another future-set film.
Msg #66: On 4/15/2015 at 4:41:30 PM, Ostromite replied, saying: Hahahahahaha this trailer ruins the whole fucking movie:
what.
Msg #69: On 4/16/2015 at 1:57:32 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying: it's like because Matt Smith is a cast member, they're pulling as much Doctor Who-esque time travel drama bullshit out of their asses
Msg #70: On 4/16/2015 at 1:57:49 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying: which sucks because the show stopped being good halfway through series 6
Msg #71: On 4/16/2015 at 2:25:58 AM, PaulSF replied, saying: :lol This looks so fucking terribad. I figured Thor: The Dark World was mostly terrible due to maybe producer meddling with the tone, but Alan Taylor seems perfectly capable of STOINKIN' up the joint all by himself. Even taken as early CG work, the animation and composting in some shots are some serious shit.
These line call-backs; when Arnold said "Get out." in T1 is was terrifying, darkly funny. When the T1000 said "Get out." in T2 it was terrifying, but darkly funny. When he says it here in some dopey CG shot with his head poking through the window, it's cringe inducing and desperate. By the time they spoil John Connor being some kind of fucking cyborg, I threw my arms up on the level of the bus flip from the first trailer. It could be ballsy with a good script and better direction, but I smell a total mess all over this. Replies: 73
Msg #72: On 4/16/2015 at 3:36:12 AM, JPwonderboy replied, saying: After watching this a second time, of all the footage shown here, of all the performances on display, one thing sticks out to me like a sore thumb:
Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor.
That is not Sarah.
That is simply awful.
Msg #73: On 4/16/2015 at 3:52:53 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #71, saying: The "Get out" in this trailer would... -not- look out of place in a Shrek 5/6 trailer, to be perfectly honest. This is approaching self-parody. Replies: 74
Msg #74: On 4/17/2015 at 9:08:29 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #73, saying: Maybe the film will be dumbo fun but I don't understand what the marketing team are up to here. They're not selling this thing to me. Such a tone deaf, laughable, stupid trailer that doesn't remotely stoke the kind of buzz needed to get this a solid opening weekend. Looks absolutely atrocious. How is this supposed to compete with Mad Max, Jurassic World, Furious or Avengers?
Msg #75: On 5/5/2015 at 5:27:54 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
Sooo Sarah has a child John go into a military base and -causes- Judgement Day to happen?? What the fuck is this movie doing? Replies: 76
Msg #76: On 5/5/2015 at 9:28:07 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #75, saying: I'm wondering if maybe what happens is, due to Connor postponing Judgement Day, by the time it actually happens in T3, humanity has advanced technology to the level that Skynet is able to basically get a jump start on their tech, which is why you've got terminators that shouldn't exist yet showing up early in Salvation (the T-800) and Genisys (the T-1000 and whatever John is).
Since they found out in T3 that Judgement Day is inevitable, maybe Sarah decides their best course of action then is just to allow Judgment Day to happen early on so that it'll take longer for Skynet to advance their technology (and also, perhaps, while humanity's nuclear weapons aren't quite as advanced, thus making the initial casualties from Judgment Day not quite as severe), thus giving humanity more time to take them out before they are able to invent their stronger Terminator models.
This is just me brainstorming, but it would be an interesting way for them to both keep Salvation and T3 in continuity, while also retconning the timeline back to the way it was in T1 and T2. Replies: 77
Msg #77: On 5/5/2015 at 10:01:29 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #76, saying: Hmm...
That makes it a lot more palatable but idk. Also wondering when in the movie that even occurs - Sarah's in the 80s, protecting Kyle. Seemingly no John yet. Unless the scene featuring kid-John launching nukes is plot building/a flashback at the beginning of the movie.
Msg #78: On 6/4/2015 at 8:52:46 PM, PaulSF replied, saying:
I don't think I've been impressed with something being this level of fucking awful in quite some time. Congrats, Alan Taylor. Replies: 79, 80
Msg #79: On 6/4/2015 at 9:37:46 PM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #78, saying: You know you've fallen into the abyss when you impress someone with awfulness.
Msg #80: On 6/4/2015 at 9:44:32 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #78, saying: The use of the Terminator theme music in that is like something out of a College Humor sketch video. Good God. Is this intentional self-parody? Some kind of Andy Kaufman level meta-joke about the modern Hollywood's obsession with reboots and remakes and sequels and prequels spin-offs and all that shit? Man, I hope so. If it is, it might be the best movie of the year.
Msg #81: On 6/6/2015 at 7:08:59 AM, JPController replied, saying: This keeps looking better and better. Replies: 82
Msg #82: On 6/6/2015 at 9:06:43 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #81, saying: The mind boggles at how bad this looks and how monumentally crappy this franchise has become.
I fail to see why Hollywood should find it so hard to make lean, enjoyable Die Hard and Terminator sequels. Replies: 83
Msg #83: On 6/6/2015 at 6:31:30 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #82, saying: Agreed - these franchises don't have difficult concepts. Stick to the continuity and write a good story, is that really asking too much? FFS.
Msg #84: On 6/6/2015 at 7:43:50 PM, Ostromite replied, saying: I just re-watched The Terminator with a commentary track from Red Letter Media, and I keep thinking about something Mike Stoklasa says in it: that, like the original Alien, the science fiction premise for The Terminator is so clean, simple, and self-contained that there is no "universe" to work with in the sequels, so all the sequels can do is slap extra shit on and hope it works. I have no idea how they've managed to squeeze so much blood from this fucking stone, but that's why I'm betting on a three-legged long shot that this is some kind of intentional parody movie that a couple of bored hacks are trying to sneak past the studio.
Msg #85: On 6/6/2015 at 10:55:50 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying: I think Salvation comes away as not being the most insulting. And that the makers actually tried - even McG - making a good movie.
Um. What? I don't know what the fuck is up or goddamn down anymore. Good characters including my personal favorite Sarah Connor (Emilia Clarke shredded with tons of charm and heart), out-of-nowhere emotional threads that work and pay off with a lot of chemistry between Arnold and Emilia, a good sense of humor that worked in context, and a succession of relentless set-pieces and a killer climax with a visually dazzling fight that made me feel like I was on a feature length version of the Universal attraction down here. I feel pretty much spot on with what James Cameron had to say about it, as did a very good friend I went with who was not so thrilled about seeing it at all. If, however, you live and die by T2, I can't imagine this'd do much for you. There's no game changing, it's just a fun action movie lead by some likable characters, only about 90% moreso than I was expecting from each of those. Replies: 88
Msg #88: On 7/1/2015 at 10:59:04 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #87, saying: I was equally shocked w/ Cameron's reaction to this, and it has essentially done a 180 on my interest in the movie. Your positivity about it only helps - 'Terminator' was a formative franchise for me, so I'm glad this isn't a complete letdown like Salvation was.
Msg #89: On 7/2/2015 at 11:40:28 PM, Trainwreck replied, saying: 26% on RT suggests that Cameron is fucking lying. This movie sucks dick and there's no way I'm going to see it. I'll see Fury Road again before this. Fuck, that movie was awesome.
Msg #90: On 7/6/2015 at 4:17:49 AM, Cameron replied, saying: I liked it. Nothing incredible by any means but loads better than Salvation. Arnold was fun. Replies: 91
Msg #91: On 7/6/2015 at 1:12:13 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #90, saying: Yeah, so this one stunk.
Genisys never justifies its own existence, failing to delve into the rich series mythology to find a story worth telling and instead opting to, effectively, follow T3’s lead in offering up another stale remake of T2: Judgment Day. If you’re going to extend the franchise beyond the definitive ending of James Cameron’s two pictures, at least bring something to warrant dragging out audiences for a fifth time. Fandom has no problem conjuring endless interesting stories in the Terminator-verse, so why do studios so consistently fail to capitalise on the possibilities available? Why does this sequel – with no shortage of talent behind and in front of the camera – mangle itself into circles and eventually disappear deep up its own asshole with thunderously boring setpieces, an atrocious third-act and little in the way of vision, purpose or direction. Why return to this set of characters again when there’s so much obvious fruit to be picked from elsewhere in a post-apocalyptic world? Why am I stuck watching yet another actor as John Connor going through the motions trying to stop the same shit in the same way against the same ‘new model threat’. A series with so much possibility is rendered tedious and unoriginal for the third consecutive film.
Rian Johnson’s Looper, a superior time-travel actioner with a fraction the budget of these ‘sequels’, is a more faithful Terminator follow-up than anything this mob has offered up in the last quarter-century. Time to put this shitty series to bed.
What are you talking about? This is one reason these movies keep sucking: the Terminator series doesn't have a "rich mythology" and it never has, so there's nothing for the sequels to work with. The first two films work so beautifully because the science fiction premise is so straight-forward and uncomplicated, but every subsequent film has just slapped on a bunch of shit they pulled out of their ass like the Resident Evil franchise. Replies: 94
Msg #93: On 7/7/2015 at 11:05:39 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying: I illegally downloaded this thing.
