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"if Spielberg is 3Ding JP could they not improve the CGI?"
On 5/28/2012 at 4:38:26 AM, MartinRandle started the thread:
I know the CGI has stood the test of time and I wouldn't want to change much, But even without any changes to the raw footage they could add more dinosaurs or change the action in subtle ways. For example, I never understood how the Gallimimuses were running "away" from a predator from the right of the screen to the left and then forward (let us assume that the threat must have been originally on the screen right. Then pass through the screen to a position that was originally behind the viewer (so now the original threat would be stage Left and Behind the camera) do you get me?
Yet out of the bushes on the front right pops Mrs Rex. Bizarre? In effect they were running towards a predator!
Simply having the Rex charge out from the Left and even more scarily OVER the very log they were hiding behind would have made the scene a) make more sense, b) show the rex as an animal hunting large prey and not interested in the humans hiding behind the log. c) scare the crap out the audience as it runs over the log right next to camera. The Galli it catches should be the one that tripped too as there would most likely be an injury.
OK the scene by the lake was very nice - you could add in a few stegs but I am not sure it would make much difference.
The sick Triceratops was fine but it would be nice to have some juveniles in the near distance grazing to add a sense of a herd.
The Whole scene with the Spitter could be so much better. And please lose the swannee whistle sound as Nedry slides down the slope. I hate that mood breaker I could kick the sound designer for that just as much as I could hug him for the iconic T-Rex roar. I'd like them to re do the scene using the little spitter (Lose the frill though) teasing Nedry and a BIGGER brother grab him out of the car.as he gets in and turns to see the other spitter through the passenger side- could be a bigger one reaching in and grabbing him.
What else? Make the raptors look a bit more feathery and dirty looking but I would keep the animation as it is.
I wouldn't change the initial attack by the rex as it is pretty much cinematic perfection. though I still have never worked out how it stepped out from a ground level section to pushing a car over a cliff in the same place 5 minutes later. Maybe show the car pushed to the other side of the road! The other side of the road could have the drop!
Go on Mr Spielberg - if you are going to mess with the film at least use the opportunity to improve it!
Msg #1: On 5/28/2012 at 12:26:39 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
There's nothing they should change.
Nothing.
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Msg #2: On 5/28/2012 at 6:37:29 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #1, saying:
Completely agreed with C3. JP is perfect as is.
Msg #3: On 5/29/2012 at 6:05:40 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
I don't understand the point of having CGI trikes in the background other than having CGI trikes in the background.
For one, nobody would be interacting with them or acknowledging them... because they weren't there when they shot the scenes. Grant would want to go watch them move around and interact after he's spent time with the sick trike.
Don't see the point.
Msg #4: On 5/30/2012 at 11:23:11 PM, elementry replied, saying:
I thought for the longest time when I was a kid that I was the only person who heard the Nedry whistle. People swore that I was making it up. Drove me nuts.
Msg #5: On 5/31/2012 at 11:01:25 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
Someone here tried to convince me that the Nedry whistle was a regular sound effect of his slip. Lol
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Msg #6: On 5/31/2012 at 9:11:18 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #5, saying:
Wait, you mean it wasn't?
Msg #7: On 5/31/2012 at 11:00:03 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
I mean, they tried to say that Nedry slipping on the water would have sounded like that in real life. It was a comedic cartoonish whistle.
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Msg #8: On 5/31/2012 at 11:03:01 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #7, saying:
Oh, ok. Yeah, it was totally what we expect of cartoons, but I've heard some comical noises in the real world. Most come out of my anus.
Msg #9: On 6/1/2012 at 2:34:45 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
:I
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Msg #10: On 6/4/2012 at 3:16:45 PM, MartinRandle replied to Msg #9, saying:
haha
yeah I wanted to get a discussion going about the merits and detriments of changing Jurassic Park. It is by no means perfect.
But the worst 2 moments in JP for me are the whistle and I like Cows. I HATE cows now.
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Msg #11: On 6/4/2012 at 9:45:09 PM, Jackle replied, saying:
You just wanna CGI Muldoon back to life... admit it.
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Msg #12: On 6/5/2012 at 10:57:00 AM, Kevy Mac replied to Msg #11, saying:
I think you're confusing Martin with Dieter.
As far as altering the movie goes, Jurassic Park may not be perfect, but it's not like it's broken. Altering the movie at this point seems like a real Lucas (Aka dick) move to me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Msg #13: On 6/5/2012 at 12:18:56 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #10, saying:
What's wrong with "I like cows"?
That's something a child would say.
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Msg #14: On 6/5/2012 at 1:00:05 PM, Bryan replied to Msg #13, saying:
No, Jurassic Park is perfect. Any change, however small, will ruin the perfection. The very idea will drive me mad. I suddenly understand the vehemence other Star Wars fans have with the special editions.
Msg #15: On 6/12/2012 at 8:12:52 PM, Compy01 replied, saying:
"I wouldn't change the initial attack by the rex as it is pretty much cinematic perfection. though I still have never worked out how it stepped out from a ground level section to pushing a car over a cliff in the same place 5 minutes later. Maybe show the car pushed to the other side of the road! The other side of the road could have the drop."
I always assumed the paddock was on a cliff edge and the Rex pushed the car over the cliff on the *other* side of the road. But I've not watched the film for years so I'll have to check again.
But yeah, that's like a splinter in my mind right now haha
Msg #16: On 6/13/2012 at 1:15:55 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
That was a conscious decision by Spielberg to have an excuse for a very memorable action sequence.
Logic be damned. I'm fine with it. The man is a master manipulator.
Msg #17: On 6/15/2012 at 10:40:25 PM, dieterstark replied, saying:
If Spielberg was really cool, then he would add in the scenes he filmed but deleted due to time restraints and all that shit. Like Grant and Ellie kissing and hugging in the bad-lands, and Ellie grabbing the leaf, and the shot of Muldoon and Ellie walking across the lawn around the visitor center towards the raptor nest giving an eerie sense of tone and the jungle all around them.
I mean why fuckin not.
Msg #18: On 6/19/2012 at 12:29:59 AM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying:
Wow how the fuck has Martin not been crucified yet?
Man seriously, these changes are the worst ideas ever conceived. Just add more trikes? WHY?
REMOVE THE FRILL? Have a big brother dilophosaur? Add feathers to the raptors? REMOVE THE FUCKING FRILL?! That shit was terrifying. And adding another dilo at the car window would be like some B-movie shit.
Also, Grant said they were wheeling LIKE a flock of birds evading a predator.. not that they actually were. Because they weren't, IMO. Grant and the kids weren't even scared. They saw no predators. They only got scared when the Gallis almost ran them over.
The cartoon whistle, ok, fine, I get why you don't like that. But it's like an Easter Egg that I find fucking hilarious. It would be so jarring to watch the movie and NOT hear that whistle.
I actually agree with pushing the car to the other side of the road, however this would be impossible to reshoot in the flesh now, and just CGIing it would look terrible.
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Msg #19: On 7/10/2012 at 4:01:23 AM, MartinRandle replied to Msg #18, saying:
Oh Vinny, Vinny, Vinny.
No one here needs to be crucified.
I put forward some ideas - which aren't beyond the realms of possibilities. There are opportunities for improvements in what is a beloved but flawed film. There are also possibilities for making radical, pointless, stupid and even detrimental changes.
If they can go back to the original CGI footage before compositing. Assuming the original animated models are still accessible, I would not be surprised if they didn't add a few more dinosaurs or make some little changes to the designs - simply to show off the improved technology.
Lets face it when JP was originally made it took about a year just to render 6 minutes of CGI footage. Nowdays that would render in a day at the most. So it would not be impossible to go back and add more - or improve the skin textures etc. Obviously they still have to match that to the animatronic models so unless they replace scenes with animatronics in then they can't change too much in the way of design. They could however add more for the sake of it.
I am not saying it is right to do so, whether they should or not is simply the point of this discussion.
But lose that bloody swannee whistle, please. give Nedry an ounce of dignity before his death.
And explain the paddock that becomes a clif edge! - Oh and explain why the Brachiosaurus that greets them in the tree is only 20ft tall? As that was the height of the tree they climbed and it is head height with the branch they are sitting in. I certainly did not see them climb 50 feet. A Maiosaurus would have been the perfect height for this by the way!
So.... what would YOU change if you could and what would you leave? Use your imagination guys!
Msg #20: On 7/23/2012 at 12:11:32 AM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying:
I was just joking/overreacting about crucifying you. Nedry doesn't deserve dignity though. He's a fat fuck that is the direct cause of everything that happened.
I just don't see the point of adding in more dinos or anything like that. Some things I wouldn't mind:
Improve the CGI raptors in the kitchen
Improve the Brachiosaur at the very beginning of the movie
Improve the Brachiosaur that sneezes on Lex. It looks kinda cartoony at one point when it sneezes.
Otherwise the film is nearly flawless from a special effects standpoint. The paddock becoming a cliff edge is just unfortunate really.. I don't see a way "out" of explaining that.
Msg #21: On 8/6/2012 at 6:13:33 AM, Jackle replied, saying:
No... I'm sorry. Nedry is the immediate cause of what happens, not the full one!
Msg #22: On 8/6/2012 at 11:49:05 AM, CAKES replied, saying:
the moment you change the movie, it becomes something you don't remember. You like these changes now...but if they come, it wont be what you really wanted. Even if its perfect, say the brachi scene redux as Vinny mentioned, it wont be the same. At that point you'll realize something has gone terribly wrong, and you'll chastise the film for it. Is JP perfect? No. but in your mind it is bc no matter the dated effects it had a impact on you in some way. And thats what makes it perfect, start to end
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Msg #23: On 8/8/2012 at 12:16:42 AM, Kevy Mac replied to Msg #22, saying:
Well said.
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