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    A scene in 1999's 'American Pie' features a strange off-camera voice saying 'Dr. Grant!' in a Hammond-like voice. Apparently, it's a left-over from a cut scene which was to be an homage to JP: A kid hiding in a closet during a sex scene says, 'Wow, that was better than Jurassic Park!' (From: 'Dr.Alan Grant')
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    "Batman vs. Superman"
    On 9/12/2014 at 10:12:55 PM, Grizzle started the thread:
    Went 7 pages back, didn't see a BvS thread.

    I'm not sure if it's legit, but there's a pic floating around of Eisenberg as Lex Luthor.


    Pretty spot on IMO. What do you guys think?


    Msg #1: On 9/12/2014 at 11:50:57 PM, Seth Rex replied, saying:
    Probably a fake. I don't think any true photos have been released yet cause chances are Comingsoon.net would have it. But if it's anything LIKE that, then I approve.


    Msg #2: On 9/13/2014 at 1:10:28 AM, raptor2000 replied, saying:
    That picture is fake, and has been floating around since the casting was announced. However, Eisenberg has been photographed lately quite obviously wearing a wig, which more or less disproves Snyder's assertions that Luthor won't be bald in this new movie. I'm guessing at the very least he will be bald but wear wigs in the movie like Gene Hackman did in Superman I, II, and IV.

    Also, this was the old BvS thread.


        Replies: 3
    Msg #3: On 9/13/2014 at 11:36:16 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #2, saying:
    A whopping one page back where Grizzle was the most recent post. :p

    And yes, as fake as fake gets.



    Msg #4: On 9/14/2014 at 10:47:00 PM, Grizzle replied, saying:
    Well shit.... I did "CTRL-F Batman" and got nothing. I shall now go commit seppuku....


    Msg #5: On 9/15/2014 at 12:00:10 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Everyone knows it's Option Batman.

        Replies: 6
    Msg #6: On 10/16/2014 at 7:10:25 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #5, saying:
    Anyone see the release of DC/WB's lineup yesterday? I find it interesting to compare the pizazz and electricity of Marvel's announcements with the quiet, stilted investor-targeted dump of DC/WB's slate. 'Cyborg' in April 2020? Yeah - I'll look forward to watching that one when I'm 34 fucking years old.

    Though I liked Man of Steel and generally enjoy Zack Snyder's films, I have extreme reservations about the decisions they're making regarding their shared universe. The whole thing stinks of an eleventh-hour reaction to Marvel's recent dominance, loading up on release dates with minimal obvious guiding vision and jumping headfirst into a crossover before giving their Superman franchise a chance to breathe. Where's their Kevin Feige?

    I'll be front-row first day for BVS, and I'm pleased they're moving forward with some of these projects, but the whole thing stinks of a cynical plan targeted first and foremost around WB shareholders, sidelining creative risk or audience interest in favour of a poor clone of the triumphant multimedia Marvel model. I'll be interested to see how many of these projects (lookin' at you Cyborg/Green Lantern) actually make it into production.

    Sure it could be worse (as discussed in the other thread, even the few lonely supporters of Sony's Amazing Spider-Man franchise seem to think they're fudging the business-end), but consider me unsettled by this whole thing. I can't pretend I'm a fan of of this habit of studios officially pegging down release dates six, seven years into the future.

    -EG


        Replies: 7
    Msg #7: On 10/16/2014 at 4:29:47 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #6, saying:
    DC should just give up on their attempt to create a film universe like Marvel did. I mean, they could have made it work if they'd used their already established franchises...Brandon Routh's Superman, Christian Bale's Batman, Ryan Reynold's Green Lantern, and the Flash and Green Arrow from their current respective TV shows, so that they only had a few new characters they would need to introduce. But instead, they are insisting on starting from scratch on every character without giving any of them a chance to be developed in a vain attempt to catch up with Marvel, and it's going to be a disaster. I'm with you...I'll be suprised if half these movies get made. And if they do, they will probably suck.

        Replies: 8, 9
    Msg #8: On 10/16/2014 at 6:04:04 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #7, saying:
    Those different DC franchises you mentioned would be total shit if they did a big crossover with them.

        Replies: 10
    Msg #9: On 10/16/2014 at 7:58:02 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #7, saying:
    I agree with Ostro - there are far too many tonal clashes between those respective films for any crossover to be successful. The benefit of starting from the ground up is overall consistency from film to film, which is something the Marvel movies have been surprisingly good at, even despite different creative helms.

        Replies: 11, 14
    Msg #10: On 10/16/2014 at 10:33:32 PM, Phily replied to Msg #8, saying:
    This.



    Msg #11: On 10/16/2014 at 10:33:44 PM, Phily replied to Msg #9, saying:
    And this.

        Replies: 12
    Msg #12: On 10/17/2014 at 6:36:02 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #11, saying:
    These films may have a consistency but I can't help but think Snyder's going to be burnt-out after years knocking out variations on the same film. Unlike Marvel who've mastered the art of a coherent universe with room for different creatives to play, we might be crying out for fresh eyes by the time of Justice League. I'll be interested to see if he stays the course or exits after two films a la Whedon.

    Re - tonal clashes with a crossover of Routh/Bale etc, I mostly agree, though I think Superman Returns being a big commercial hit in 2006 would have likely lead to significant pressure on Nolan come 2008 to lay groundwork for an integrated universe and eventual Justice League film. We'd have seen a Bryan Singer Supes sequel in 2009, Nolan would've probably departed before seeing out his trilogy, and a crossover movie would've hit in 2011/2012, beating The Avengers to the punch. An extra $200 million on Supes 2006 total might've rendered the 2010-20 decade unrecognisable.

    Money talks. On this point, as has been said before, the same is true of Man of Steel and its disappointing international gross. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, the studio was pissed with its underperformance. A few more punters in worldwide and they would've had the confidence to bring you a straight Man of Steel 2 in 2015/16 rather than jamming the Bat into the mix prematurely. It's funny how things work out...

    -EG



    Msg #13: On 10/17/2014 at 2:54:56 PM, PaulSF replied, saying:
    They done fucked the fuck up not letting Singer make his Supes sequel because they, for some damn fool reason, expected that extra $200. Boils my blood to this day, and then to add insult to fucking injury they act surprised when MOS doesn't do much better.


    Msg #14: On 10/17/2014 at 5:23:07 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #9, saying:
    To an extent I agree, but I think there are some that could work. I could see the Green Arrow and Flash from their respective shows alongside Man of Steel's Superman, for example, and I'm not sure how they are going to make the Green Lantern appear any less goofy. Part of what would have made it interesting, to me, would be seeing how all these drastically different characters from drastically different backgrounds came together and how they interacted with each other. More so than the existing franchise is not meshing together, though, my main reasoning behind wanting the existing franchise is brought into the mix was simply so DC would not be trying to introduce and bring so many characters together in such a short amount of time.

    And I still say the reason no Superman film made since Superman II has been a big success is because, quite simply, Superman is just not a very interesting character. He is so one-dimensional and such a Boy Scout he is just not intriguing when brought into comparison with Batman, Green Arrow, or pretty much any Marvel superhero (aside from perhaps Capt. America). I still think it is kind of funny, though, that even with all the DC movies Warner Bros. Has announced over the next five years, they have so little confidence in the Superman character now that they won't even give him another solo shot. At least for the foreseeable future, anytime he is on screen he is going to have to share it with someone else.



    Msg #15: On 10/18/2014 at 11:10:47 AM, Varan101 replied, saying:
    My opinion is that DC should look to strengthen and broaden their television universe, which is much stronger than Marvel's at this point. To ignore this is not very good. Then, they can make the occasional spin off film based on the television series that are going on. Essentially taking the opposite approach that Marvel has. It just seems like kind of a dumb business approach to try and copy what Marvel is doing and they need to do at least TRY to do it differently.

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    Msg #16: On 10/18/2014 at 5:30:48 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #15, saying:
    Agreed. I wish DC would stop trying to fight a battle for the big screen that Marvel has already won and instead focus on the medium they've already found tremendous success with in Smallville, Arrow, The Flash, and now Gotham and Constantine: television.

    They're already ahead of Marvel in that respect, and would allow them the time and freedom to develope as many characters as they wanted and have them interact at a fraction of the cost of making big budget films and, as modern television has shown, scale and professionalism doesn't need to suffer. Sure they won't make as much as they would on films, but given all their recent efforts not directed by Nolan, they aren't going to make as much money as Marvel anyway.

    It's too bad Smallville had its own separate canon with a different Green Arrow...otherwise DC's television universe would already be nearly primed for a Justice League team up, with Green Arrow, Flash, and Superman established, and a vehicle for the eventual introduction of Batman. I'm far more intrigued by the concept of a shared television universe inhabited by DC's greatest superheroes and villains than I am by DC trying to rush to sloppily copy Marvel's cinematic universe, especially if Man of Steel is the introductory chapter.



    Msg #17: On 10/20/2014 at 1:34:13 PM, Adam replied, saying:
    I remain completely unenthused by their film announcements.


    Msg #18: On 10/20/2014 at 5:16:56 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    superman sucks


    Msg #19: On 7/11/2015 at 10:28:59 PM, PaulSF replied, saying:


    Goddamn.


        Replies: 20, 22
    Msg #20: On 7/11/2015 at 10:43:47 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #19, saying:
    Too much shit going on. The trailer makes it seem like this tight little story that (once again) re-hashes the Batman origin story but with Superman thrown in for a new take on how they become allies, but it also has entire sub-plots with whatever Luthor is doing and the introduction of Wonder Woman. This looks like it should be a trailer to a miniseries.


    Msg #21: On 7/11/2015 at 10:43:50 PM, elementry replied, saying:
    That made me want to see it even less.


    Msg #22: On 7/12/2015 at 12:12:22 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #19, saying:
    This looks like shit. No wonder you like it.


    Msg #23: On 7/12/2015 at 12:31:56 AM, Trainwreck replied, saying:
    Meh.


    Msg #24: On 7/12/2015 at 1:08:46 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Not even Jeremy Irons helped me to care.


    Msg #25: On 7/12/2015 at 5:05:53 AM, PaulSF replied, saying:
    Well, hm. Oh! I understand the art of enjoying films that are meant to be enjoyed. :) Almost forgot. I guess it continues with something promisingly entertaining. Story feels like a natural progression from the events of MoS (including the controversial issues that film instigated amongst viewers regarding the loss of life and amount of general destruction), a promising looking performance (or two) with a new take on a character that's most welcome at this point, Larry Fong's usual excellent cinematography---why am I bother-

    Movies suck. I hate movies.


        Replies: 27, 32
    Msg #26: On 7/12/2015 at 1:44:43 PM, Siir replied, saying:
    I think it looks fine. I'm going to see it for sure, but I'm not super enthusiastic about it like I am for The Force Awakens, or as I was for Jurassic World. Mostly because Marvel is already flooding screens with superhero movies to the point that I find myself rapidly not caring about each successive one.

    I thought Age of Ultron was boring (and I thought the first one was worse than about half of the standalone films). Guardians of the Galaxy was a pleasant surprise, but regardless of the reviews, I'm indifferent to seeing Ant-Man.

    My interest in the whole superhero craze is waning, and for DC to start now makes me more indifferent, riding on the back of already getting burned out on Marvel. Still, I prefer DC to Marvel, so I'll give them a shot.

    But I agree that there just seems to be too much going on in this film.

    And I don't find Superman inherently boring. I did like Earth One's take on him, especially in volume 2 (Clark is neighbors and friends with a prostitute and abuses his power to punish a guy that abuses her). It was just an interesting take on a character who so often is that "boy scout." He tries to help people under a dictatorship, with the dictator threatening to kill his own people if Superman doesn't respect the nation's sovereignty, only for Superman to help overthrow the dictator after initially agreeing to stay out of it.

    I would have enjoyed seeing a Superman more like that.




    Msg #27: On 7/12/2015 at 3:22:38 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #25, saying:
    I understand the art of enjoying films that are meant to be enjoyed. :)

    Having bad taste isn't an art.


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    Msg #28: On 7/12/2015 at 5:35:33 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #27, saying:
    Wasn't addressing you and actually agree that this could be a mess if not handled well, but as always, any and all are free to break their imaginations coming up with these kinds of comments. Oh- I was going to add something about Chris Terrios writing compared to David Goyers regarding how beneficial this could be (not to mention leading into the also written by Terrio and Affleck directed The Batman), but that would involve more substance to back up an opinion and even some optimism toward these event films I have fun anticipating. That's for chumps and faggots.


    Msg #29: On 7/12/2015 at 7:52:01 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Is Jared Leto's Joker showing up in this? The "HA HA" stuff kinda has me curious.

        Replies: 30
    Msg #30: On 7/12/2015 at 8:00:51 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #29, saying:
    I'm willing to bet he is. Mainly due to that image but also because Affleck's Batman does show up in Ayer's Suicide Squad. The comic con trailer was fantastic, and Leto was fucking terrifying. Was holding out for a official HD version before posting it.

        Replies: 31
    Msg #31: On 7/12/2015 at 8:17:32 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #30, saying:
    Wait, Affleck WILL be in Suicide Squad? That's pretty cool news, and the Suicide Squad trailer at Comiccon was surprisingly good. I'm living for Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. Storywise, it would kind of make sense for Joker to pop up in this movie - most adaptations of the World's Finest/Batman and Superman meeting include Luthor and Joker teaming up as well.


    Msg #32: On 7/13/2015 at 2:24:17 AM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #25, saying:
    I hate BAD MOVIES.

    There's nothing terrible about you loving them except you're kinda the lynchpin the studios count on.


        Replies: 33
    Msg #33: On 7/13/2015 at 2:33:23 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #32, saying:
    He understands how to enjoy movies that are meant to be enjoyed.

        Replies: 34
    Msg #34: On 7/13/2015 at 3:32:06 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #33, saying:
    It's an art

        Replies: 35
    Msg #35: On 7/13/2015 at 5:12:49 AM, PaulSF replied to Msg #34, saying:
    \_(ツ)_/

        Replies: 36
    Msg #36: On 7/13/2015 at 9:55:18 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #35, saying:
    I like that trailer quite a bit. There's a mythic quality, first class imagery.

        Replies: 38
    Msg #37: On 7/13/2015 at 1:15:46 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    One thing that is bothering me about this film is how it appears Bruce Wayne was retroactively in Metropolis during Man of Steel. They've already stated that his initial spark for fighting superman is that his Wayne Tower building was destroyed during MoS, but having a massive Back to the Future 2 esque flashback of "LOOK WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING DURING THIS SCENE!" just feels off and really highlights how they are only wedging Batman (and everyone else) into this movie to try and compete with Marvel and rush into a shared universe. That whole running into 9/11 sequence is clearly taking place at the end of MoS and it just looks stupid, especially paired up with yet another origin.

        Replies: 39
    Msg #38: On 7/13/2015 at 7:40:29 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #36, saying:
    More terrible taste!


    Msg #39: On 7/14/2015 at 8:03:10 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #37, saying:
    That is really bothering me too - Retconning Bruce to be in Metropolis? Lame. Unless, and I doubt this but.. unless that's Gotham, & Superman was fighting or doing something around Gotham and accidentally takes out Wayne Enterprises.

    Again, I doubt it though.

    I kinda liked the Wonder Woman scenes, they were the most exciting thing about this trailer imo. I hope she beats Clark's ass.


        Replies: 45
    Msg #40: On 7/14/2015 at 9:08:32 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    According to an interview (or something) Gotham and Metropolis are literally right across from each other surrounded by a river.

    Like New York and New Jersey.

    But who cares.


        Replies: 41
    Msg #41: On 7/14/2015 at 10:34:23 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #40, saying:
    Hmmm... That... Wasn't always the case. Never in the comics. Metropolis is supposed to be a NYC surrogate, while Gotham is Chicago. Bludhaven being Detroit.

        Replies: 42
    Msg #42: On 7/15/2015 at 12:24:06 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #41, saying:
    No, Gotham City started as a New York analogue, and Metropolis was modeled after Toronto, but around the Silver Age it was standard that Metropolis was either New York City or a Great Lakes city in the same state as Smallville while Gotham City was in southern New Jersey.

        Replies: 43
    Msg #43: On 7/15/2015 at 6:35:28 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #42, saying:
    Oh yeeaaaaah. That makes more sense.


    Msg #44: On 12/3/2015 at 1:50:25 AM, PaulSF replied, saying:



    Msg #45: On 12/3/2015 at 3:37:42 AM, IKK_Viper replied to Msg #39, saying:
    I don't see anything wrong with having Bruce in metropolis during the events of man of steel. Hell, how many companies do you know that have satellite offices and buildings in cities other than their home city? I can think of a bunch....what's so wrong with him visiting there as a "business trip"? Man of Steel didn't mention it cause Bruce/Batman wasn't part of the story yet.

    I think the new trailer looks great.



    Msg #46: On 3/27/2016 at 12:42:25 AM, JPwonderboy replied, saying:
    Oh, hai. Wonderboy here.

    In case anyone still reads...this is MY detailed review, as posted on FB:

    Regardless of whether some of you have been in my life for the last 4-5 years, or if you went to school with me or watched me grow up, most of you are aware of my unabashed, lifelong love of the Batman. Even when I had to cover it up back in school so I wouldn't get made fun of (thanks again, Yoakum, for being the ultimate nightmare to grow up in), I never lost sight or heart of my all-time favorite superhero.

    Back in 2001, I saw JURASSIC PARK III in Hallettsville, TX; at the time, I was fully convinced that no JP movie could do wrong. A JP failure was an inconceivable concept to me, and it took until around 2006 (a full 5 years) to come to grips with how blissfully incorrect I was in that regard, that JP3 was indeed a heavily disappointing movie. As I've gotten older, eventually becoming more of an all-encompassing fanboy than I was when I was a kid, I've also been able to come to grips with varying levels of disappointment whenever I see a movie...particularly high-profile/high-hype blockbuster tentpoles. Whenever I see a JURASSIC WORLD or a STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS, or say THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, I am able to pinpoint my issues with those films and deal with them to the point where I still end up loving & respecting the picture despite the flaws.

    People, I cannot promise total mindfulness of my emotions when talking about THIS particular comic book movie, but not for the reasons you may think...

    This is a movie that had my fullest curiosity from the get-go, regardless of my hesitance with Zack Snyder at the helm of both this and the future Justice League projects. That hyped curiosity turned to tempered emotions when the critic approval ratings at Rotten Tomatoes dropped to below 30%, and I realized that I had to adjust myself accordingly. One thing was certain: I was watching this in theaters, quality be damned.

    BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, to cite it's full title, is a biblically dark, dank, poorly written & constructed, shoddily edited, somewhat beautiful, well-acted (save for one exception) yet ultimately needless & irrelevant MESS of a cinematic experience. Even with tempered expectations, the overall result of what I now know to be the final product shocked me with how much I ended up disliking it in the end.

    Only Ben Affleck as the Batman emerges unscathed. His performance is the single successful element in this flawed cog. The movie around him doesn't do him any favors in the slightest (and I'm not so sure that I'm totally onboard with the idea of Batman wielding firearms and actually KILLING, which is famously against the code of everything in which he stands for), but he excels with what he's been given. Now that I know what this dude and his take on the Bat is all about, I concede any prior hesitation and offer my full, unwavering support of the Batfleck :)

    There are also many beautifully shot sequences, particularly the Knightfall/Mad Max-esque desert Batman moments, which are major shock-to-the-system highlights that you expect from a first-class visual artist like Zack Snyder. All of these good elements pale in comparison to the weird, stilted Superman dialogue, the choppiness of the overall narrative, some of the worst editing to grace a motion picture in decades, the general feeling of disconnection and irrelevance from what should be the most crucial parts of the story...

    ...and Lex Luthor. What a Total. Fucking. DISASTER. Make no mistake, Jesse Eisenberg is a talented dude, and fully deserved the Best Actor Oscar for THE SOCIAL NETWORK. But his take on Lex here was this gigantic ball of embarrassing randomness, complete with weird facial spasms and vocal tics, a sense of bipolar inanity, words that literally made no sense when trying to put them together, and a lack of motivation. The quick reveal of the rest of the Justice League was also half-baked in execution; there was just something too off about it. Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman I have no opinion on. She was neither bad or good. She was just there. She didn't detract from anything, which I suppose is a positive. And Gal Gadot is beyond gorgeous. Baby mama material even ♡

    But the problem with the characters is that there isn't enough investment in them to justify any of what you should be feeling when you see what they go through, where they come from, etc. Even Batman was presented with just a bit more depth than surface-level, which is unacceptable given what been capable in other incarnations. Combined with the shoddy story and editing, it never earns those emotions that vainly attempt & fail to get under our skin in that way it should.

    I have dreaded writing ths review all day since I left the theater. At this moment, I remain shocked and dumbfounded by the wild disappointment of this film. And as such, I am also dreading what is to become of the upcoming slate of films representing the new DC Cinematic Universe. One thing is certain: this is a film that everyone should go out and see only once, simply to have an opinion. This atom bomb of a comic book picture is shaping up to become one of the most divisive film experiences of the past 20 years, and I am always curious to hear what you have to say about BvS, if you wish to share and comment.

    Upon collecting my tickets when first arriving at the theater, I noticed that they were giving away these free & exclusive mini-movie posters for BvS in the AMC lobby. Being classic Travis, I grabbed two. Now that I've see the film, I can say that I've never felt so regrettful with a bunch of now-proven needless fan items than I do now. Woe has been my day, but making lemonade here, no matter what, we'll always have Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY :)

    Grade: C-
    What a fail. It's a sad day to be a nerd.


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    Msg #47: On 3/27/2016 at 1:50:38 AM, PaulSF replied, saying:
    The only issues I personally have with it are likely to be fixed in July with the Dcut. It was the angry, gloomy BvS I personally wanted. The dark middle chapter of a trilogy starting with MoS.

    The editing complaints people are having is valid, but Snyder didn't have much of a choice other than to use this film as a podium to kickstart the ENTIRE DC universe-- and when the script/final cut reached the length it did, the studio forced cuts. That's why it feels so strung together, and that's why there's a three hour director's cut coming in July.

    Next to Keaton, this is both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman there is. He's truly psychologically fractured and fed up. I would'nt be surprised to learn that he began as the anti-killing Batman we're used to, but somewhere down the line in those twenty years and the murder of Robin, he became this cynical and tired. The darker vision for just about everything simply worked for me and I can't wait to see the R cut.



    Msg #48: On 4/2/2016 at 11:19:12 PM, Cameron replied, saying:
    It was ok. Tons of problems, come cool shit, tons of meh. Wasn't bad, but wasn't really that good either. The conflict and story development were poor, and very forced, but the action was really cool.

    I don't like snyder being the guy at the helm for Justice League finally being realized. I am way more excited for the Wonder Woman and Batman films than for Justice League now.

    I have 100% belief that Suicide Squad will be a better movie than this one



    Msg #49: On 4/6/2016 at 4:24:38 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #46, saying:
    It's a sad day to see you're still alive.

        Replies: 51
    Msg #50: On 4/10/2016 at 12:15:42 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    I didn't see the movie yet, but I heard it was real good!


    Msg #51: On 4/10/2016 at 8:47:52 PM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #49, saying:
    Coming from you, Rez, I'll just assume your statement is tantamount to a cheery hello. :)


    Msg #52: On 4/10/2016 at 11:15:59 PM, IngenRaptor replied, saying:
    best movie of all time


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