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The T. Rex was like a modern day grizzly bear, it could take down live prey when it wanted to, but it could also scavenge when it needed to as well. It was an opportunist, it ate whatever food it came across, living or dead.
At 10:45:15 AM on 7/26/2001, Lizzie said:
No, the MB isn't working
At 10:40:22 AM on 7/26/2001, Cheetah167 said:
Is the message board working?
-Scott
At 10:05:54 AM on 7/26/2001, goldrex said:
it was a good show but did you see hornys wife she has to be thirty what is horny sixty five?
At 2:20:13 AM on 7/26/2001, Mattman said:
That show was excellent.
At 1:46:25 AM on 7/26/2001, Joey_Joe_Joe_Jr said:
I reckona good idea for JP4 could be that some of te game hunters from TLW go tleft on the island during all the chaos...and has been there ever since having to interact with the dinos and survive...watching them knowing thier movement...
At 1:40:26 AM on 7/26/2001, JP1 said:
Utahraptor, I think this might be the one-
http://www.geocities.com/logosaurus/spinosaurus_vs_tyrannosaurus.htm
I am going to post most of it here so if you want to read the whole thing (and see pics of bone structures) go to that URL. If it doesn't work, Go to Yahoo and Type in SPINOSAURUS FINDS. It should be the first one. And just remember, I posted it I didn't write it and in the words of Ian Malcom " SO DON'T TAKE IT OUT ON ME!" Well here it is.
" A battle between these two dinosaurs would never happen in reality for two main reasons. The first is that there is a geographical barrier between the two called the Atlantic ocean. Tyrannosaurus rex lived in western North America, while Spinosaurus aegyptiacus lived in northern Africa. Also, the two species were separated by about thirty million years. T. rex has been found in the Maastrichtian of the Cretaceous, from seventy to sixty five million years ago, while S. aegyptiacus is found much earlier (Cenomian?), from about ninety-seven to ninety-five million years ago.
Barring these two problems, there are other reasons a battle to the death would not ensue between these two creatures. First is that animals don't like fighting, especially animals that are of the intelligence level of dinosaurs. It wastes precious calories, and is only needed if necessary. That means that these two animals had to be in competition with one another. Which they wouldn't be. S. aegyptiacus is largely piscivorous, a fish eater. While it wasn't exclusively a fish eater, it was a large part of the diet. The most complete Baryonyx walkeri (a close relative of S. aegyptiacus) specimen has in its gut both fish scales and parts of a juvenile iguanodont, evidence that it either hunted or scavenged it. B. walkeri is a little over half of S. aegyptiacus' size, so it is presumed that S. aegyptiacus could also procure non-fish meat if needed and available. There are also ample large fish species known from S. aegyptiacus' time and area, further supporting its fishy diet. T. rex, on the other hand, hunted (there is proof of hunting!) and scavenged terrestrial animals such as hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, though, in a famine, I'm sure it would try to catch large fish, if there were any around it. The point is, these animals would not have been in competition. Also, they were both large and able to harm each other, and neither wanted that, so self preservation would be a major issue.
However, on either Isla Nublar or Sorna, the amount of food and land available to either species was severely less than they would like, and large fish of the type S. aegyptiacus hunted would not be around. This condition may bring the two into competition.
As far as this fight goes, size does not matter. A forty-five foot S. aegyptiacus versus a forty-two foot T. rex is so little a size difference that there might as well not be a size difference. The same goes for all the other large theropods: Charcarodontosaurus saharicus, Giganotosaurus carolinii, Suchomimus tenerensis, Allosaurus maximus, etc. Using the size issue is like saying, "Which would win, a lion or a tiger?" It's almost as ridiculous a question for much the same reasons as we have with these two dinosaurs. This might as well be a boxing match; in other words, the individual animal's ability is what matters, not the species. Keep that in mind when discussing which of these two dinosaurs would win.
However, there is a huge morphological difference between T. rex and S. aegyptiacus, which affects the outcome of the fight greatly.
Before delving into the morphology of S. aegyptiacus, it must be said that much of what is known about this animal is inferred from its relatives. There is very little remaining of this dinosaur after a bombing during World War II that destroyed most of the specimens. So I will say this again: There are very few fossils available of this animal, no complete skeletons, and most of the material we have are teeth. We can, however, in a lack of better data, extrapolate based on its relatives.
S. aegyptiacus was very derived as a fish eater. The skull is long, low, on a longer, slender, neck, and not reinforced for strength; it most likely measures around six to seven feet long. The nares is posteriorly shifted, probably to allow it to breathe while its snout was underwater, like many modern fishing birds. The teeth are long and conical, some with microserrations, and little to no recurvature. A rosette of teeth is on the lower jaw, with the longest teeth almost at the tip. The upper jaw has similar teeth radiations at the premaxilla and at the front of the maxillas. There is an extreme kink in the snout between the maxilla and premaxilla. There is no stereoscopic vision. The jaws were highly laterally compressed, and almost paper thin in the more primitive Suchomimus tenerensis. There may be a short crest atop the skull, as in B. walkeri.
S. aegyptiacus shared a feature with other spinosaurs that will be capitalized in JP3: a large thumb claw. This was on the first of three digits, and is a trait first seen in B. walkeri. The forearms are allosaur like, and slung below the animal. S. tenerensis shows a large olecranon process and strong, stout, shorter arms. This may be the case in S. aegyptiacus. At best, an estimate for the arms is about five feet long.
Other unique things about this animal include thoracic and caudal vertebrae that are about twice as long as on other theropods. This extended vertebral column adds a huge amount to the length of the animal. It was a laterally thin animal, and had a shallower rib cage, like compsognathids and dilophosaurs.
S. aegyptiacus has a large sail that reaches six feet at its height above the dorsal vertebrae. This sail is made of thick, elongated neural arches. There is speculation that they actually were covered by a layer of fat as a hump, but not a big, round hump as in camels. There is speculation also that the sail was a heat regulation device by those who believe S. aegyptiacus was poikilothermic. I disagree. At that size, gigantothermy is more efficient and a sail simply increases surface area. I believe this dinosaur was homeothermic and the sail, while it may have been used for heat regulation, has little bearing on the metabolic state of S. aegyptiacus.
T. rex is known from twenty peer reviewed specimens, with about four more to be studied from this past summer alone. As the star of JP and TLW, this dinosaur achieved more infamy than ever before, and JP3 may dethrone the King, so to speak.
T. rex was designed to be a big, fast big game hunter. With absolute proof of T. rex hunting, it made a good living as an opportunist, hunting or scavenging whenever necessary. The skull of T. rex can deliver more of a bite force than any living animal for sure, and is, according to Gregory M. Erickson, "the undisputed champion of bite force." The strong, short, stout, massive skull of T. rex reflects this adaptation toward power. Also, the skull shows at least a a 60% overlap in vision, well in the range for stereoscopic vision. Other features include forward pointing ears, a complex inner ear system, and olfactory bulbs that were the size of grapefruits. In other words, there is good reason to say that T. rex could smell almost as well as the turkey vulture, the animal with the largest olfactory bulbs to body size. T. rex was the owner of an amazing nose.
The legs of T. rex were designed for speed, especially compared to the shorter legs of S. aegyptiacus. While it is disputed whether T. rex could achieve a suspensory locomotory phase, a reasonable maximum walking speed is between twenty and twenty-five miles per hour. But the point is, even at twenty miles per hour, T. rex could accelerate well, and still moved faster than any of its possible prey items.
T. rex had a massive body, with a round barrel like chest. While it was massive, everyone of T. rex's vertebrae through its fourth sacral is hollow and filled with air sacs most likely connected to the lungs in an avian air sac breathing system. S. aegyptiacus most likely had had a similar system, but the fossil support is not there. Hopefully, there will be new finds soon.
Now, to the battle! The weapons involved for the S. aegyptiacus are the mouth and arms, while weapons for the T. rex are mouth and possibly legs. I don't list legs for the S. aegyptiacus, because I think that its sail made it too unwieldy to kick well.
The arms of the S. aegyptiacus are probably its best weapon. The problem is that they are slung below the body, and cannot flap. Because this animal is no kangaroo, rearing up is no possibility either. This severely restricts the use of the strong arms. (They would be good for fishing, though!) The mouth of the S. aegyptiacus isn't as strong as the T. rex's, so could not be used to the same effect.
The T. rex probably employed a run in and bite the thigh and run out attack. There is no reason to say that the S. aegyptiacus was faster or stronger than the T. rex, and I think I can say that fairly, in other words, I'm saying that not just because T. rex is my favorite.
If the S. aegyptiacus got a few scratches off on the T. rex, they were not likely to be debilitating injuries, unless an eye was gouged or a major artery. T. rex has protected eyes, though. A bite from the S. aegyptiacus would be bad, however.
If the T. rex kicked the S. aegyptiacus, there would be little laceration because T. rex had relatively blunt toe claws, but the S. aegyptiacus might fall over. Barring the injury of the S. aegyptiacus from the fall itself, this could be bad for T. rex. From the ground, the S. aegyptiacus could easily injure T. rex, especially the legs.
If the T. rex got a bite off on the S. aegyptiacus, though, there are bad repercussions. A bite that powerful does a lot of damage. And that's one major reason I say that the T. rex would win. T. rex was designed, like I said before, to take out big animals with its mouth. And that's what it would do to the S. aegyptiacus. Ability and weapons matter here, not size, and the T. rex has the advantage in both areas.
So that's my verdict, T. rex with the win!"
At 1:15:39 AM on 7/26/2001, Big Mac said:
Very simple...
point 1) T-Rex probably both hunted and scavenged... can't pass up a free meal
point 2) T-Rex was bigger and heavier built
point 3) Most of you guys are kind of stupid... you know who you are, jokes are like guns, they should be kept out of the hands of the incompitent.
At 1:13:40 AM on 7/26/2001, Big Rex said:
No, we KNOW T. rex was a hunter. We have a dinosaur with healed wounds inflicted by a Tyrannosaurus. That means it would have to have been ALIVE for them to have healed. A dinosaur that attacks LIVING animals is a HUNTER. Face it, whether you like the dinosaur or not, T-rex was a hunter.
At 1:06:48 AM on 7/26/2001, Joey_Joe_Joe_Jr said:
I think the point is no one will ever know if the Rex was a scavenger or a hunter...
At 12:02:17 AM on 7/26/2001, Stegasaurus said:
The Pterasaurs kicked shlong
At 11:14:37 PM on 7/25/2001, Rob_Redwing said:
>But from a raptor's roars, to crushing jaws, did the filmmakers get it right?<
Nope!
At 11:12:10 PM on 7/25/2001, BigChimpin' said:
YEAH! That was great!
I usually don't take to nitpickers, after all, jP is just a MOVIE! But I loved the rest of the show, most of those clips you can only see in theaters, and I've actually seen one of those flying Pterasaur models at the National Zoo!
Very cool.
At 11:07:55 PM on 7/25/2001, Cuckoo said:
If anyone missed the special on the Discovery Channel....sorry, but you missed a great one! I found the hour-long special to be one of the most informative ones aired this year, including When Dinosaurs Roamed America. It was definitely worth watching....
At 10:21:29 PM on 7/25/2001, Overaptor said:
shoot, I don't have the Discovery Channel. I read something over at one of Mallon's websites on a battle between the Rex and Spino, and it said that the rex would definately win, I forgot the URL, though! It was a very interesting theory, though.
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At 9:59:20 PM on 7/25/2001, pachysaur said:
good point
At 9:54:43 PM on 7/25/2001, Oviraptor said:
T-Rex was a hunter.
At 9:48:20 PM on 7/25/2001, pachysaur said:
What the hell are guys tlaking about? What did horner ever do wrong? He's one of the best paleontologists in the field and i too am sad the T-Rex was a scavenger, but it all makes sense!
At 9:00:30 PM on 7/25/2001, jurasic man said:
i think it was unfair that they made the rex roar in the middle of the battle between the spinosaur and the rex
At 7:18:48 PM on 7/25/2001, goldrex said:
jp3 was good but the sail on the spinos back was way to small
At 7:09:21 PM on 7/25/2001, The X-Man said:
they got it right this time leave it at that
At 7:02:58 PM on 7/25/2001, goldrex said:
i think ne of these days those crapy iterns are gonna ditch hhim and he will be lost in montana forced to it rocks and dirt mabey some fosils
At 7:01:38 PM on 7/25/2001, goldrex said:
hahahaha so FUNNY
At 6:31:30 PM on 7/25/2001, KirbyPaint&Tile said:
HORNY ON DC TONIGHT?!?!?!?wait...uh...nevermind, i read it wrong
At 5:51:02 PM on 7/25/2001, Oviraptor said:
Yeah they always talk about him in the JP films.
At 5:44:45 PM on 7/25/2001, goldrex said:
let me know if you think thats funny
At 5:43:09 PM on 7/25/2001, goldrex said:
horner thinks his wife is a trex because she/he/it is one one of these days horner will have to learn the dangerous implications of his t-rex thery first hand hahahahahehehehe oh i kill myself anyway i think horner is the biggesst jackass ever
besides didn;t you here what ellie said i have to do an interview with jack horner my editor thinks hes a palantolgist hehehehe
At 5:30:06 PM on 7/25/2001, Oviraptor said:
Nah, he's scared of mice.
At 5:28:43 PM on 7/25/2001, AGant(compy) said:
Hahahaahha Ovi!!!! Maybe he's scared of snakes too!
At 5:08:37 PM on 7/25/2001, Oviraptor said:
Horner should be in JP IV and get ate by T-Rex, and learn his theory is wrong the hard way.
At 5:08:33 PM on 7/25/2001, dinosniper said:
Should be a good show, I want to watch it. Hopefully he doesn't criticize JP3 too much, though
At 4:35:11 PM on 7/25/2001, Snap-jaw said:
I disagree with Horner about T-Rex is scavenger.There discovers about T-Rex is hunter. Then says Spino is the large then T-Rex.Then he forget Spino remains bomb by WW2.T-rex was about 42 to 46 feet long and better brain.
At 4:26:02 PM on 7/25/2001, Oviraptor said:
just kidding :P
At 3:47:16 PM on 7/25/2001, Oviraptor said:
Jack Horner has more brains in his pinky than you guys got in your entire body. Except maybe Mallon, he's a genius.
At 3:37:55 PM on 7/25/2001, mr.elliesattler said:
Jack Horner gets on my nerves!!!!!! ( Like he says Trex was a scavenger!)
At 3:04:51 PM on 7/25/2001, Acrocanthosaur said:
<font color=grey>Jack Horner is evil. I still want to see it though. Unfoutunatly, I dont get cable.
IGUANA POWER!:(</font>
At 2:47:17 PM on 7/25/2001, Stegasaurus said:
Peter Giessl
At 2:43:55 PM on 7/25/2001, Mallon said:
Ignorant kids...
At 2:37:46 PM on 7/25/2001, Oviraptor said:
"Deadline Discovery." actually.
At 1:42:36 PM on 7/25/2001, trex54 said:
cough*Horner'sasellout*cough
At 1:16:24 PM on 7/25/2001, JPIII said:
Hmm... James Horner. uhh- hi
At 1:13:45 PM on 7/25/2001, BigChimpin' said:
Sure to be a conversation starter...
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