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Yeah, that's pretty obvious. If there's a dead corpse on the ground next to you, why go chase something that might get away? But there wouldn't always be a corpse next to a T.rex, which is why it hunted a lot.
At 10:51:28 PM on 7/6/2001, Snap-jaw said:
I remember Real Jurassic Park movie. Robert Bakke said Lions are hunters when less game it will be scavenger. Hyena is a scavenger and it hunts also. Maybe T-rex is Hunted its food and when food was dead he was scavenger.
At 4:24:17 PM on 7/6/2001, leatherface said:
for your information utharaptor I'm african american and I do not live in a great neighborhooh. You can say that I live in the ghetto and were I live at I we use the n word as slang for to describe a friend or a dumb person.
At 6:46:53 PM on 7/5/2001, Mighty T-rex said:
Whoops! Sorry, it wasn't you who said that. I was mistaken. Anyway, he said "we know" it was around 60 ft., which is bullshit. Even if it could reach 60 ft., we have no evidence it did, so Horner is spewing crap.
At 5:48:21 PM on 7/5/2001, Darknodin said:
"I HAVE NEVER IN ALL MY LIFE HEARD A SPINOSAURUS LENGTH ESTIMATE ABOVE 50 FT."
the key word there is ESTIMATE... so it's not bullshit as you say it that the spino would be 60ft. long. It might be possible... someone gave that example... if 100 million years in the future someone found a cache of skelettons in a pigmy village they'd say humans were 5ft tall... but if they'd end up in a NBA cemetary (no comment on that...) they'd say we were 6-7ft tall... so maybe the spino we found was a small one.. or a big one...
"Darknodin, the theory that the sail would give Spinosaurus better endurance in hot whether is only one of several theories of how the sail was used."
I said that??? when?
At 2:16:40 PM on 7/5/2001, Mighty T-rex said:
Everybody, yes, Spinosaurus could hunt, and did hunt when it needed to, but Spinosaurus is widely believed to have been mainly a piscivore. None of you in this whole planet can argue that T-rex didn't hunt, because there is absolute, discrete proof that T-rex hunted. Bite marks on ceratopsian and hadrosaur fossils have been shown to have clear signs of healing from bite gouges so large they could only have been made by a T-rex. In other words, T-rex had attacked these animals, and they had escaped, but been bitten first.
Spinosaurus WASN'T 60 FT. LONG!!! THAT IS COMPLETE, TOTAL, WORTHLESS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE NEVER IN ALL MY LIFE HEARD A SPINOSAURUS LENGTH ESTIMATE ABOVE 50 FT. AND HOW THE HECK DOES LENGTH HAVE SOME EFFECT ON HOW FEROCIOUS SOMETHING WAS? THAT IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!! COMPLETE, TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spinosaurus did have large claws on its hands, but its arms were very low-slung, as it needed them that way in order to reach down and hook up fish. The arms of Spinosaurus were smaller than they are in the movie(that isn't fact, since the whole arm hasn't been discovered, but looking at its close relatives, the arms are too large and high-slung), and wouldn't have been able to reach the face and neck of T-rex like they do in the movie JP3. They wouldn't have been able to reach much above the lower chest of the rex. Another thing, Spinosaurus' sail made it hard for Spinosaurus to turn left and right to dodge blows from a rex, since the sail was stiff, and wouldn't leave it with a good ability to move its back. T-rex, on the other hand, had no such disadvantage, and was more easily flexible to dodge blows.
Darknodin, the theory that the sail would give Spinosaurus better endurance in hot whether is only one of several theories of how the sail was used.
Anyway, many scientists(other than Horner) that have given their opinions on how accurate the spinosaurus beating the t-rex thing is have said that Spinosaurus would have been no match for T-rex. I think you can find it in the news archives somewhere, because I think Dan put it down once.
Anyway, here's my conclusion: Spinosaurus would have been no match for T-rex.
At 3:46:53 AM on 7/5/2001, Utahraptor said:
leatherface, do you even know what a ni**er is? And what's a faug? I hope soem Afircan Americna reads your stuff and drags you behind their car. Now that's justice.
Anyway, Horner is insane. No evidence links Spino to being 60 feet. T-rex ha smroe proof of hunting than scavenging. OK, yes, they'd scavenge whenever they could. Why run down a dino if you can scare away some other dinos and steal their food. Heck, people rob each other rather than buy the smae stuff. That's scavenging right there. Horner has a point in challenging conventional wisdom, but he doe sit all wrong. And sicne when ahs length been equated with fearousicity? He's saying a 10 foot dino 50 feet long is scarrier than a 20 foot dino 30 feet long. Right. An extra 10 feat rearing up above you is a lot scarrier than 20 feet looming behind the jaws. Heck, I'd think he couldn't turn around so fast, at bigger lengths.
Spinos arms might nto ahev terrified T-rex. With thosae kinda jaws, they'd be less terrified. Besides, they fought triceratopns, and thsoe horns are a lot scarier,a nd painful. And I'm sure Spino could hunt, but wa snot the greatets predator ever. And even if he's the biggest (if proven, let's say), it still doesn't make him the greatets or scariest. Size isn't everyhting. T-rex's chompers are a lot scarier than ducking the swishing arms of Spino.
So inconclusion, ban leatherface, and Horner's insnae in his attempts to encourage debates, better research, and accepting new ideas. His idea is good, his mehtod is unsound. it's liek insisting submarines should have screen doors because you think you're being funny. Trust me, you seem like an idiot if you do that.
At 11:18:05 PM on 7/4/2001, Darknodin said:
they aren't even from the same time!
At 11:11:53 PM on 7/4/2001, JP3MAN said:
To all who cant admit the spino is cool and those such as War-Eagle,T-Rexman who say the spino was a fish eater. Nobody knows for sure. The assumtion that the spino ate fish is just as much an assumption as the rex being a scavenger. Most people think the spino was actually a predator just like the rex. In my opinion they are equal PREDETORS and neither of them is "better than the other"
At 10:57:26 PM on 7/4/2001, Darknodin said:
two things... leather face?? tha fuck? you have a problem with niggaz? then fuckah say it out loud and not on the net you fucken fagget...
second : Lions don't primarily hunt... the scavenge... ok so they might hunt more than they scavenge (not sure bout that) but they prefer to have free food insteaed of wasting energy. like wait for hyenas to kill a prey they come and chase them away... so the Rex might have done that... and a croc is a fearsome predator even if it's relatively lightly built... lions never really stand against crocodiles... only animals much larger than crocs (hippos, rhinos and such) do... so the Spino might have intimidated a Rex (if the two ever saw each other)
At 10:18:07 PM on 7/4/2001, conor said:
War eagle, shut up and enjoy the movie. Not everything can be totally accurate. It's way better to have the Spino big than it is to have it accurate.
At 9:16:58 PM on 7/4/2001, WarEagle said:
First of all, even though the skeleton of the Spinosaurus was destroyed in WWII, we do know the proximate size the Spinosaurus based on the data from the scientist who discovered the Spinosaurus. It was NOT 60 feet long. It WAS around 35-45 feet long. It did primarily eat fish. It's actual body was not as thickly built as other predators, but flatter in shape horizontally, making it built more like a crocodile with a deeper chest. It WAS one of the largest predator's, but probably NOT as vicious and powerful as the others. Second, the evidence mounting says that T-Rex IS a hunter, NOT a scavenger. Things like Tyrannosaurus bite marks in Ceratopsian and Hadrosaur bones that healed over (which shows that the animal was attacked when it was alive but managed to get away), the strength of T-Rex's jaws, The new evidence form tyrannosaur and predatory Dinosaur EXPERTS like Dr. Thomas R. Holtz Jr. who said that Tyrannosaurs were built for running, even more so than Dromeosaurs. Just check out his input at www.dinosauria.com in its "Journal" section. Plus, T-Rex's "tiny" arms were powerful, as seen in the muscle scars on the bone, in some estimates powerful enough to pick up a small car if they had been in a position to! To have arms this strong, you have to use them. Just ask any weight lifter. You have to constantly use and work a muscle to keep it huge and powerful. So those "useless" arms of T-Rex's had to be doing something to have muscles like that. Just because T-Rex had better olfactory sensors than optical ones doen't mean he was more of a scavenger and not a predator. Look at sharks, they can smell better than they can see and they are vicious predators. Even predators like lions often smell their prey from miles away before they ever see it. Especially if your in a dense forest or swamp as T-Rex would have been, you would want great smelling ability to pick out potential prey in case they were tying to keep out of sight. T-Rex was a "SUPER, SUPER predator who may have SOMETIMES scavenged, as even lions occasionally do. PERIOD!!!!
At 9:10:48 PM on 7/4/2001, Crazy_Dino said:
CHINGA TO MADRE
At 8:24:19 PM on 7/4/2001, Jurassiclaw said:
""We do know that [the spino] had a skull that was eight feet long, and a body that was about 60 feet long," Jack Horner [said]. "If we base the ferocious factor on the length of the animal, there was nothing that ever lived on this planet that could match this creature. Also, my hypothesis is that T-rex was actually a scavenger rather than a killer. Spinosaurus was really the predatory animal."
Urg!
Wanna hear my theory ? Jack Horner is a scavenger and he's trying to hide it ... period.
At 8:00:49 PM on 7/4/2001, leatherface said:
listen you dumb niggers!!!!!!!!!!! I dont know what the fuck your saying that Horner doesn't know shit he knows more about dinosaurus than you muthafucking faugs ever will. First of all the rex was a scavanger all the evidence points to the t-rex being a scavanger and the only reason that the pelotologist dont wanna believe it its because they dont want to ruin that imageon of the t-rex since they had since child hood like the one you dumb niggers have were the rex is the greatest hunter that ever lived. You are some dumb NIGGERS that should open there minds and listen to new theories since palentology changes daily, YOU DUMB NIGGERS! And for your information there was only one skeleton found of spinosaurus and it was destroyed so there is no information on it and sincebig rex is saying that it supposely grew only 35-45 feet man you a dumb nigger you dumb nigger we dot now how long it grew and the sixty feet thing is a rough estimate madew from a eight foot skull nigger do yor math. And this goes to all you dumn muthafuckers that are some ignorant niggers that keep calling Horner bad names he unlike you dumb asses knows what he is doing and hopefully you all keep in mind only becasue some person comes with a theory that goes against what you wanna believe doesnt mean he is stupid, kee in mind that theories in plentology are going to change. YOU DUMB NIGGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At 5:56:55 PM on 7/4/2001, Big Rex said:
Horner is nuts. "We know Spinosaurus was 60 feet long." NO YOU DON'T!!! Most estimates for Spinosaurus are 35-45 feet long, he just pulled that 60 foot thing out of his ass. I dunno about the 8 foot head, so I won't comment on that. And Horner continues to pound in that Rex is a scavenger and never hunted, even though nearly every single other paleontologist disagrees.
Honestly I can't see the Spino's arms making that much of a difference. T-rex would probably just bite into one.
At 4:58:49 PM on 7/4/2001, Faulkner said:
yes...and also, in hot weather, the spino's spine would act like a cooliong radiator, increasing endurance. and also the spinosaurs, despite popular belief, where most often predators than fishers or else they would be dead. they couldn't survive on fresh water fish most of the time...we often compare them using their claws on their arms like bears...but bears fish during the intense and brief salmon runs, wherer fish are very numerous...and also, bears were built lower to the ground and had better depth perception. by the same token you could call the utahraptor a fisher because it too has a large claw on each of hands. and then because they have conicular teeth with fine serrations and a crocodile like snout, they are sposed to be fish eaters. but still, crocs are very effective killers and have pretty powerful jaws. so perhaps, unlike the t. rex, the spinosaurs main weapon wasn't his head....
At 3:15:39 PM on 7/4/2001, Cuckoo said:
Well, I know that I like the T.rex very much as well, and think that it was a successful predator more often than not, but the ability to take down prey is only a part of the whole equation in a Spino-T.rex fight. Bears might primarily feed on fish, while lions feed on zebras and such, but I'd still say that the bear stands a good chance of defeating the lion in a fight. Not always, mind you, but it's not like an animal the size of Spinosaurus is just going to roll over and die. If these two had ever actually met, the only likely reason for them to fight woudl be (a) over food or (b) over territory. I suspect that like many animals today, there would have been a lot of posturing and display meant to intimidate the opponent, and only actual combat as a last resort. Those big clawed hands of Spinosaurus might be great for catching fish, but they're also very likely effective weapons in such a fight. T.rex would really have to get in quick with some bites or maybe use its thick tail to do some damage, or even possibly kick with the big blunt toe claws on the hind feet. Spinosaurus didn't have the bite strength of a T.rex, but it still had a lot going for it.
At 2:26:05 PM on 7/4/2001, T-rex Man said:
How about this, Spielberg shouldn't leave his directed to Johnston in the first place.
At 1:44:47 PM on 7/4/2001, Raptor Hunter said:
Horner is an asshole, he's influenced Johnston into believing rex was a scavenger! It's all his fault Big-T dies! If only Speilberg was around more, he would keep the rex alive!
At 1:32:02 PM on 7/4/2001, EVA01 said:
Asshole Horner.
At 12:20:41 PM on 7/4/2001, DeinoSlayer said:
Horner doesnt know a SH*T!
At 9:56:07 AM on 7/4/2001, T-rex Man said:
Here's what I'll say, T-rex is BOTH hunter and scavenger and will always be better than Spino. Horner is not much of a fan of him that's all. Spino is mostly a fish eater. If T-rex and Spino fought in real life that time, i'd definitely know who wins.
At 9:45:02 AM on 7/4/2001, Cuckoo said:
Horner has been known to say controversial things to get people talking. The following qupte from Horner is from "The Complete T.rex", page 218: "I'm not convinced that T.rex was only a scavenger, though I will say so sometimes just to be contrary and get my colleagues arguing." And he says on page 220 he says that Hyenas are scavengers but they don't hesitate to kill their own prey, even cannibalizing members of their own family. "Among backboned animals, only airborne carrion-searchers like vultures and condors are pure scavengers."
Some of what Horner is saying is sensationalism, then and some of it may be taken out of context. For example, the statement that Pteranadon is "fictitious" is misleading. There are indeed fossils of flying reptiles called Pteranadons that looked much like the Pteranadons in the trailer; apparently the ones in the movie are larger than what fossils have indicated as the size of the animal, and if some reports are correct, then these Pteranadons have teeth. That's really funny, since "Pteranadon" literally means "Toothless Wing"...
At 7:33:17 AM on 7/4/2001, Faulkner said:
i see*
At 7:32:43 AM on 7/4/2001, Faulkner said:
well revoulution, although see the rex as a hunter, i do respect his theories for the main points of it aren't frivoulous...and we never know for sure so you can't say the rex "wasn't" a scavenger, but more of a "probably most likely not"
At 3:59:00 AM on 7/4/2001, revolution said:
T-rex wasn't a scavenger you son of a bitch!
At 3:28:41 AM on 7/4/2001, GrayRacer said:
Sadly, I will be going, unwillingly, to Mexico for the next 3 weeks. Which means I wont be at the theatre waiting anxiously for JP3 which I waited for sooo long. No! Why?! I must watch JP/// it was my destiny!!!!!
Stupid family trip to Mexico.
I probably wont even get the Special Popcorn Buket...:(
Have any of u guys been to yur loal K-B toy stores? Where I live they have this bad ass display of a Spino like ripping up some tree and poking its head out. I a sooooo gonna bug them to give it to me.
At 3:18:23 AM on 7/4/2001, RaptorCrest said:
The way they did it sounds interesting.
At 3:13:48 AM on 7/4/2001, Aussie Embryo said:
Okay I'm first! Well, I just had to do that. Cool updates! I always notice these things. Actually I don't notice them, I "hack" them.
At 3:12:06 AM on 7/4/2001, Aussie Embryo said:
I'm first!
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