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were scavengers.(Finishing the sentence that I syupidly left unfinished in my last post.)
At 11:03:08 PM on 2/17/2001, T-rex vs. Spinosaurus said:
What was that comment about dinosaurus killing off the human race if we cloned any? That's ridiculous!!!! But they could kill a small number of people if they weren't properly contained. Personally, I think this will be unbelievably cool if it actually works. They'll have to take huge security precautions to make sure these animals don't break out of wherever they're contained. I doubt that, if any, they won't be able to create nearly as many species or dinosaurs overall. But, if they win the 1 in many, many, many, many chance and create dinosaurs, Jack Horner will so get lots of angry letters for saying that the most powerful land carnivores ever to live in the known history of time.
At 4:21:44 PM on 2/8/2001, reddog said:
"SHHUUUUUUT UUUUP ALREADY DAMN!!!"
At 9:47:29 AM on 2/8/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
*cough* liar *cough*
At 7:56:25 AM on 2/8/2001, Carnotaur3 said:
Yeah i know i started and i stopped in about 3 posts ago, and still you try to say that i started it and stuff,well i did, but you don't have to talk about it anymore.
You got it
At 5:04:20 AM on 2/8/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
Carnotaur3 (the bitch is back), shut up, everyone can see you started this not me. Give it a rest man.
At 3:06:03 AM on 2/8/2001, Utahraptor said:
I doubt the scientists abck then figure carnivores were so bird like.
At 8:10:31 PM on 2/7/2001, Carnotaur3 said:
Darth, I stopped it, now your starting it again so shut up.
At 6:59:49 PM on 2/7/2001, dinosniper said:
One other major note:
Carnotaur3, screw you!!! shut up!!!
ha ha ha
Dino Sniper
At 6:58:53 PM on 2/7/2001, dinosniper said:
But seriously, cloning dinosaurs is next to impossible. And one major flaw I noted in JP, when they said they filled the gaps with frog DNA, that was kinda dumb. They should have filled the gaps with bird DNA, especially with the carnivores.
At 2:53:35 AM on 2/7/2001, Utahraptor said:
Nobody wants to see a dinoesque chicken or other bird. Thats lieks eeing a horn glued to a horse's head and calling it a unicorn. Cheap circus tricks ar ento what people wnat. And witht oday's genetic engineering, the herbivores coudl ebmodified to eat our plants, and undoubtedly special food (like what BioSyn feared InGen woudl do.) Ditto meat supplement for the carnivores.
as for atatcking, hey, elave them alone, and you'll do fine. look at JP. Only by locking them up and shooitng themw hen they escaped did the dinos have casue to atatck. TLW, the humans invaded their territories, kidnapped them, hurt their abbies, litterally hoped into ebd witht hem (Raptors). And you're surprised thye didn't thank them for it. Right. JP/// seems to ruin this, by not giving a real reaosn to atatck, short of territory,and I doubt it's alla bout that. But really, if you don't mistreat em, the dinos can eventually be tamed into Dino Flintstones. Sans talking, that is.
At 2:51:15 AM on 2/7/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
Please stop pulling me into this, i haven't started it, Carnotaur3 did.
At 1:22:42 AM on 2/7/2001, reddog said:
Sorry to interrupt, but Carnotaur3, Darth, we're all disussing about Dino DNA, NOT
God or nature. If y'all want to discuss those, read the Bible or go to websites that's about nature, or something. Nobody wants to hear you both argue.
At 11:09:11 PM on 2/6/2001, dinolvr79 said:
They have found DNA inside the teeth of dinos, but so far, not very much. Stop talking about god, this is not the place, but if you do, then do it right. Stop telling people they are wrong when there is no good evidence on both sides
At 10:05:24 PM on 2/6/2001, dinosniper said:
sorry about that last comment i just looked this whole page over and realized my last post was a little...um...how shall i say...long. Ha ha ha. Later everyone
Dino Sniper
At 10:03:50 PM on 2/6/2001, dinosniper said:
OK I will start out by saying I am not going to say anything about religion. I just read every message posted on this particular topic and I think it's stupid how people argue over religions. So there.
Now, on to the subject of dino cloning. Screw the idea of "resurrecting" them. Every trace of them that ever existed is gone. It's dead. Even their bones aren't really their bones anymore, they're petrified molds in the rock. No genetic pattern whatsoever exists from the dinosaurs. Now, even if we did clone them, we couldn't clone the herbivores, because they couldn't eat any of the plants that exist today, and we couldn't clone carnivores, because it would be too dangerous, and the second anyone is injured on the job, the government is going to have them all destroyed. K? Now, something I do think is quite possible is mutating an animal of the present day to resemble a dinosaur as closely as possible. Over generations and generations, the genetic pattern would become so perfected that the animal itself would be as close to a real dinosaur as we will ever get (and I actually know what I'm talking about, I read about this. Scientists were experimenting with altering chicken DNA and switching certain traits on and off, like removing itsd feathers, giving it a tail, giving it teeth and jaws instead of a beak, etc.) and personally I think that is a good idea because you would end up breeding something like a compy (or, at most, a raptor. don't scare me with the thought of breeding raptors and "accidentally" setting them loose, ha ha ha joking). I think that's a good topic for a scary story. Ha ha ha. Well that's all I'm done. Later arguing religious folks. And nobody diss DarthMaulSithLord anymore. Even though he presses on with this religious topic, rather than cloning and experimenting with DNA, I think Darth Maul kicks ass, and so does anything to do with the Sith.
Fear is my Ally...
At 4:15:44 PM on 2/6/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
Please don't attack me in public.
At 2:59:20 PM on 2/6/2001, krahim786 said:
Darth, you are a complete fucking idiot, and a Hypocrite. Just shut the F$@# up!!!! I dont believe that God is almighty either, but you are just an idiot. You have no argument. You need to go to a brain doctor! What a nutcase!
At 2:25:07 PM on 2/6/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
I will stop replying to this thread, because the main goal has been reached (i gave my opinion). This thread is about the cloning of Dinosaurs and not about religions. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever that person wants to and should be allowed to do so to his or her satisfaction.
So the last thing i will add is this, if God indeed is master or controller over life and death, why did he allow the Dinosaurs to go extinct when he didn't want it to happen?
PS: to Carnotaur3, i know about the "reach out" part, but i really have no need to be reached out to, you could have known that if you read my post as it was written. I clearly stated i thought it was nature that's master of life and death, not God and you should have accepted my believe instead of rejecting it.
At 11:01:47 AM on 2/6/2001, Gus Hammond said:
WHAT A BUNCH OF HERETICS !!! I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH BLASPHEMY! RESPECT THE OTHER PEOPLE!
At 7:56:47 AM on 2/6/2001, Carnotaur3 said:
Darth, in my Christian beleif I'm supposed to reach out ot others and bring them to God and our Savior.
Now I think it's time to stop talking about it cause it'll start arguments.
At 7:22:39 AM on 2/6/2001, Seth Rex said:
actually i personally think that if anything, god did not want these creatures destroyed. to keep a good thing going he just never recreated them so that we can take over. i mean would he want his son being hunted down by a velociraptor?? the thought of dinosaurs being cloned is not an outrage to me. i just dont wanna look out my window and see a big spinosaur peeping into my window...(thats why there are girls bedroom windows) but i would love to see a t-rex eat the bullies that used to pick on me :) besides, have you looked at the tv lately? they wanna clone humans now...i say test cloning on dinosaurs. everything we saw in jurassic park is perfectly possible. but you know the costs are gonna be in the millions...then again our government sponsors the space program, they can sponsor a dinosaur cloning program.
At 4:04:51 AM on 2/6/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
If nature (or God) wanted us to recreate the Dinosaurs don't you think it/he would given us the instructions and an instant DNA kit?
Oh, and Carnotaur3, you started it when you tried to correct me and with that you touched my believe. I believe in nature, you believe in God. Fine, it's your right, but not push it onto others.
At 3:21:12 AM on 2/6/2001, reddog said:
"PHRAAAAAASE THE LORD!!!"
At 3:09:03 AM on 2/6/2001, Utahraptor said:
Too bad even a complete DNA starnd is dead, and we can't clone dead animals, yet. Plus all the other probelms inherient within. But fit heyc na, do it. Imagine, dinos raoming free once more. Real dino pics plastered on lunchboxes. Eveyrbody watching dino movies and the JP Trilogy, laughing at how we portrayed them. Horner apologizing for the whole rex scavanenges, Spino si the king. Othe rpaleontologists aplologizing for their mistakes.
Is this playing God? Nope. Do you really think if God didn't want this to happen, He'd ever let it? If God ahted clones, don't you think He'd sabetogue all oru efforts? Granted, barely any clones can survive for long, but some still do.
Now, how doe sbelieveing in God force you to accept that whole Adam Eve fiasco? I mean, come on. A hump of dirt becomes a human being? right. and sicne when is Heaven in space, for any scientist to see it? OR through the sky. Ever wonder why ghosts can walk through walls? And disappear? We're talking alternate planes of existence. You can't see it. And if you have seen no evidence of God, then He simply hasn't chosen to show you any. Or else you missed it. It's not big flashing neon signs. It's tiny little nothings. Like how He controls nature.
But God's existenc eisn;t on trial ehre. The trial is to let dinos reexist. So far, clonign isn't going to accompish that. When it can, go for it.
At 3:05:25 AM on 2/6/2001, reddog said:
AMEN!!
At 12:56:25 AM on 2/6/2001, eggy said:
Oh, and I definately would love to see a life sized dinosaur! I mean, scientists cam make a very sturdy cage like thing to keep it in, though I'd rather it be free. Course, I really doubt this will happen. The idea of DNA lasting over 65 million years is quite doubtful.
At 12:52:38 AM on 2/6/2001, eggy said:
Please stop all this stupid god talk. You guys know it will just lead to arguments. You aren't going to convince anyone that god exists, and other's won't convince religous people that he doesn't exist. SO! Let's just all drop it now, mmk? Thanks so much...
At 11:52:10 PM on 2/5/2001, Vader2ooo said:
Hell yeah I believe in Adam and Eve, and God does exist. If you don't believe that then I'm sorry for you. Of course Heaven couldn't be a place reached by human travel. I think the idea is exciting and scary of the dinosaur issue. I think it is playing God, but it would be interesting to see a living breathing dinosaur, wouldn't it?
At 11:26:57 PM on 2/5/2001, Carnotaur3 said:
Hey, im not arguing anymore, you started it back up Darth!
Ok, thats done, now back to the subject.
Do you think it's a good idea to do this, I meant, we might not know everything about how these creatures were. If we did creat these dinosaurs we would most likely get hurt, cause we don't know their strength, add muscle and tissue and skin to the bones, that's something we need to think about! More!
At 11:19:57 PM on 2/5/2001, DanisaJew said:
Dan is a complete tool!
At 9:23:34 PM on 2/5/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
I was talking to that Prowler dude down below
At 8:57:33 PM on 2/5/2001, MechaGuyver said:
I am not trying to start an argument. I just expressed my opinion. I totally respect everyone's opinion.
At 8:43:19 PM on 2/5/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
I'm not going to apologize for what i believe in. I just said what i thought. Carnotaur3 started this God Vs. Nature thing. I read the post and was just trying to explain why i don't believe in God. I do believe there is a certain entity that controls everything around us, but i don't believe it to be a sentient being. I call it nature and it's a collective of all the objects around as, water, earth, fire, animals etc.
At 8:38:02 PM on 2/5/2001, steph69 said:
GOD did not destroy these animals a rock did
At 8:36:15 PM on 2/5/2001, MechaGuyver said:
This would be cool. Only problem is (in my opinion) by creating a species that has been dead for millions of years you are playing god. You are basically spitting in His face. Wouldn't there be a reason othese creatures were wiped out? By creating these creatures (even though there is a one in a trillion chance) we have unleashed a force that may exceed our own power and basically have just possibly doomed the human species. (Even though we already are.)
At 8:35:33 PM on 2/5/2001, Boricua Prowler said:
I think the existence or non-existence of God is not what we're discussing here... not blaming anyone, because it is an interesting topic... but... not here, not now, guys... I've seen this before...
At 8:34:46 PM on 2/5/2001, steph69 said:
I heard a thing that it was the atmosphere that gives them that size but we can create that atmosphere. so we gould do that to reel animals. they did it on paranas and they were 3 times bigger.
At 8:34:12 PM on 2/5/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
True, but we would have seen God by now if he was in heaven. Ask NASA, they never saw him and i never have either. If you want to believe that's okay, it's your right and i know why people believe, it makes them stronger. But please don't tell me God decided over life and death, nature does. If God is nature to you fine, but don't tell it to me.
At 8:24:46 PM on 2/5/2001, Carnotaur3 said:
Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's npot there!
At 8:24:00 PM on 2/5/2001, Carnotaur3 said:
God is not supposed to be proven, it's all about faith!
At 8:05:17 PM on 2/5/2001, jp3chaos said:
I wonder what JP cast and cerw have to say about this?
At 7:47:34 PM on 2/5/2001, reddog said:
If they used frog DNA to fill in the gaps of a dinosaur DNA, how can it be possable to make a FULL dino? It actually would be part frog.
At 7:39:09 PM on 2/5/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
Nature, not God. God doesn't exist, it's a believe, he was never proven to exist. I believe in nature and evolution as it occured, if you believe in God that's your choice, but it would mean you believe in Adam & Eve as well? Do you?
At 6:33:43 PM on 2/5/2001, Dan said:
I think the idea of simply "filling in the gaps" with DNA from other species wouldn't hold water in real life. I mean, it can't be that easy. If scientists wanted to create a real dinosaur, I bet they'll need a complete strand.
-Dan
At 6:26:05 PM on 2/5/2001, Carnotaur3 said:
Actually we leave that to God, not nature.
And plus, they said it themselves that the DNA would be too dead to be extracted.
At 6:25:47 PM on 2/5/2001, Varan101 said:
DNA becomes damaged over the millenia, its a well known fact. Even Jack Horner noted in his interview it was impossible for a Jurassic Park to exist because of that.
Anyhow it would be kind of fun to have dinosaurs roaming around...The heck with a park!
At 5:54:19 PM on 2/5/2001, DarthMaulSithLord said:
It's nice to hear someone is willing to extract DNA from amber and i wish him all the luck he can get, because he will need it. If, and this is very unlikely, he finds Dinosaur DNA and fills the gaps (how old is he?, this could take a loooooong time), he will be looking at another decade (or more) of work to create an embryo. And the biggest question of all. Why should he do it? And why should a Japanese scientist resurrect a Mammoth? It's all against nature, humans were not meant to decide over life and death. Nature is the only factor/entity that can decide and judge about those 2. Extinction and resurrection is a thing of nature and shoudl not be tempted by the hands of it's creations. I have to mention that i would be excited too if the there was a good chance of success, but it's just not meant to be.
At 5:46:09 PM on 2/5/2001, allosaurus said:
There's a movie called the (Real Jurassic Park, staring Jeff Goldblum.) that talks a lot about this subject. But they came to the conclustion that there is not a enough food any where that could feed a 35 ton peck Dinosaur.
At 5:35:04 PM on 2/5/2001, Gallimimus said:
Hmm, they have to sequence the DNA strand first, which is very unlikely. After 10 years of efforts, the scientists have just been able to sequence a human DNA strand. So go figure what it will take for an uncomplete strand, 100 million years old.
At 5:24:45 PM on 2/5/2001, dryptosaur said:
I, personally think its cool to see dinos walking the earth once more. Even though it will be in a zoo. But, doing this is like playing God, and not even doing a good job.
At 5:22:27 PM on 2/5/2001, Mallon said:
Well, I say let him do his little project and have him report back in five years. I hope no one gets their hopes up.
At 5:13:51 PM on 2/5/2001, DILOPHOSAUR KING said:
EXILENT!
At 4:21:07 PM on 2/5/2001, steph69 said:
this should be dans next pole
At 4:20:21 PM on 2/5/2001, steph69 said:
this kicks ass
At 4:14:35 PM on 2/5/2001, TrikeSerabian said:
One word...Cool! No other comment.
At 4:11:57 PM on 2/5/2001, datasus said:
It would be interesting if we can make real Dinosaurs, but if we're going to make a park it would be best it there would not be any carnivorous because if there were any problems there would be no Dinosaurs hunting you down.
At 3:52:49 PM on 2/5/2001, Thorne said:
Oh, and Dan, they would probably fill the gaps with the DNA of animals that can't change sex.
At 3:51:52 PM on 2/5/2001, Mr DNA said:
Dan, we used the DNA of frogs... to fill in the... HOLES!
At 3:50:46 PM on 2/5/2001, Thorne said:
It is highly unlikely that they will extract any kind of ancient DNA from these insects.
But it is possible. And I think it's good that they're trying. But if they do actually re-create dinosaurs in years to come, let's hope they make wise decisions. A Jurassic Park would be cool if kept under control. But that would be extremly difficult if not imposible.
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe."
-Ian Malcolm
At 3:48:56 PM on 2/5/2001, Dan said:
But what about the major sequence gaps?! ;)
-Dan
At 3:09:19 PM on 2/5/2001, The Rex said:
yeah. and what are they gonna do wiv the dino dna? Well obviously make Dinos
At 3:05:46 PM on 2/5/2001, Ultraraptor said:
It doesn'tmean they are going to make a real JP, they are just trying to get dino DNA
At 3:00:21 PM on 2/5/2001, The Rex said:
Whats everyone on about this is the best thing to happened for ages. Just think the films so far have kept you on the edge of your seats. With the thrilling gripping tension that the previous films have brought us. dont you just want that to be real.
At 2:48:08 PM on 2/5/2001, T-Rex24 said:
Why would anyone, after seeing the Jurassic Park movies, want to re-create the scenario? I think that it would be amazing if Dinosaurs were re-created, but how can we except them to not destroy everything....
At 2:01:51 PM on 2/5/2001, Horribly_Mauled said:
and I won't even start about plastic lunchboxes
At 1:28:21 PM on 2/5/2001, Raptoralpha said:
Oh ah, that's how it always start. But after the're running and screams.
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