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my god, man. Relax!
At 11:22:30 AM on 4/1/2006, emanresushere said:
And Dan, this is emanresu00.
I would appreciate if you'd notice your mod Malcolm's and Co henchmen asshole attitude, message deletion and constant banning of people whose opinion they do not agree with, like myself.
This attitude problem gives a bad reputation to this site all over the net forums.
At 2:24:11 PM on 3/31/2006, emanresushere said:
USEFUL INFO:
Please let me summarise, and you can read below to figure out yourself, or check my mentioned threads:
Do you think I didn't already contact the people in charge? That is the problem: Their attitude! Simple.
I mentioned my opinion, followed by Malcolm's rude disagreements and ban threats. I tried to explain to Malcolm, no use, then emailed Dan, no reply, just dick attitude from them.
I tried talking to them but they were just total asses.
That's it! Just read below. It's been pointed out.
At 12:01:34 PM on 3/31/2006, raptor2000 said:
Well regardless, they are the people in charge, and we are not, so if you have issues why don't you talk to malcolm about it, not Dan, and not whine about it on here.
At 7:46:32 AM on 3/31/2006, emanresushere said:
For the record. no one said that everyone here is an asshole dude.
Just certain people in charge, aka Malcolm and Co...
At 10:26:22 PM on 3/30/2006, raptor2000 said:
Throwing a fit about it isn't going to accomplish anything.
And for the record, you say everyone on here is an asshole, which isn't true...there are alot of people on here who are perfectly fine.
If you are having issues with people on the message boards just avoid them for a while.
At 7:37:32 PM on 3/30/2006, emanresusback_0 said:
Just wanted to say what I think.
At 7:19:13 PM on 3/30/2006, Coprolite said:
So leave
-The PooRock-
At 7:10:03 PM on 3/30/2006, emanresusback_0 said:
They even posted a poem in that thread!
"You thought, you could
Push this shit on me, yeah
You burnt bitch, I've heard the same story
Ya played me, ya said it was your friend
Now ya ask'n give ya another chance
Fuck, what you say, it don't mean shit now
Funk the presents its over right now
Fuck all those emails you sent over to Dan
Fuck you, you hoe, I just want you banned
Fuck what you say, It don't mean shit now
Fuck the presents its over right now
Fuck all those emails you sent over to Dan
Fuck you, you hoe, I just want you banned"
(Malcolm)
" this place and all of its wonderful members have been relegated to skullfucking the bloody hell out of prebuscent dumbasses who formulate Jurassic Park 4 ideas based off of a childrens book.
Mother fuck all. "
(Carna)
There you go! Different opinion equals spamming for these people...
CHECK OUT THE OTHER JP FORUMS... YOU'VE BEEN FIGURED OUT GUYS... THIS PLACE AND ITS ASSHOLES ALL SUCK!!!
At 2:35:01 PM on 3/30/2006, emanresusback01 said:
Dude, I'm sorry.
Don't get me wrong, but just check out those threads of mine.
I used to think just like you, even been liking and visiting Dan's site for info before the release of JP3.
No disrespect, but I emailed Dan more than two weeks ago. Still waiting for a response.
Moreover, check out people's responses, amongst others, to my threads:
"Yes I can ban you. I am the only remaining original mod of this message board. I was the first asked to help Dan with annoying spammers like yourself, emanresu00. " (Malcolm)
"I could just delete this thread if I wanted to and even ban you" (Malcolm)
"If you are a Mod it doesn't mean you can dictate people's opinions man" (emanresu00)
"Yes it does! You shall be henceforth known as Locutus of Malcolm. His opinions shall now be your opinions, and you will from this point forward express his opinions so that they may be known to us. This conversation is terminated." (Trainwreck)
"No worries. I just emailed Dan to review this mess and hopefully put an order to things." (emanresu00)
"Hehe. He thinks Dan cares. Listen to me, DAN FINKELSTEIN IS A POWERLESS FIGUREHEAD!! MALCOLM IS YOUR GENERALISSIMO NOW! THE STREETS WILL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NONBELIEVERS!*
*Where "nonbelievers" is defined as "emanresu00"
"Also, Aragorn and Tranwreck are my un-official mods"
Do we get gold bracelets??" (Trainwreck)
"LOL @ dumbass emanresu00
BAN, BAN, BAN, BAN" (Malcolm)
I sure hope Dan sees this, but I guess if he were any better he wouldn't let Malcolm and Co in charge to do whatever they fancy.
Still waiting...
Not to mention comments I read in other forums about Dan's site "run by a bunch of assholes"...
At 11:43:59 PM on 3/29/2006, juniorx eternal said:
emanresusback2006 A LITTLE RESPECT Could help here. dan is very busy. this site is just a hobby for him Im SURE he didnt read the dansjp3page mail yet so WAIT.
At 2:55:37 PM on 3/29/2006, emanresusback00 said:
They just keep banning me...
SUCK MY COCK DAN FUCKERSTEIN
At 2:53:44 PM on 3/29/2006, emanresusback00 said:
Same here (emanresu00)
At 1:43:24 PM on 3/29/2006, Strider23 said:
This is former bann0
At 1:27:13 PM on 3/29/2006, Strider23 said:
I did, but no reply so far...
They just keep banning me.
I wonder if "Malcolm" has anything to do with that.
At 11:16:52 AM on 3/29/2006, juniorx eternal said:
guys! this is not the place to talki about banning !! SEND AND E-MAIL TO THE ONWER OF THE SITE Dan Finkelstein and solve your probs..
At 6:55:26 AM on 3/29/2006, bann01 said:
Hey!
Why the hell did you ban me (as bann0) in those threads, thinking that I was emanresu00?
At 6:47:23 AM on 3/29/2006, juniorx eternal said:
malcolm , idiot in the movie and idiot in real life (as a nick of course) lghs!!!!
At 6:13:50 AM on 3/29/2006, emanresusback0 said:
But I've been very polite and they've been total dicks.
Check out my thread replies.
I've even been banned because they didn't like my theories. (!!!)
Have you been banned thousands of times too?
By he way, before you call me names, don't get me started on your dumbass comments relating to the Twin Towers in another forum post in here.
As far as banning is concerned, looks like it's that "Malcolm" son of a bitch, calling himself "the last remaining mod on this site".
At 9:40:21 PM on 3/28/2006, juniorx eternal said:
but i must say that youre being very impolite, rude and idiot talking like an ass dumb DONKEY KONG (tm)
At 9:37:44 PM on 3/28/2006, juniorx eternal said:
i was deleted a thousand times for no reason at all and i must say that THERE IS ONLY ONE GUILTY AND HE IS THE ENVY AND JEALOUS Dan Finkelstein
At 5:28:44 PM on 3/28/2006, emanresuisback said:
SUCK MY COCK MOTHERFUCKERS
for deleting my forum threads under "Jurassic Park Movies" as user emanresu00, titled "Possible JP4 plot based on evidence from the previous JP films" and "Two Isla Sornas (Site B)?"
At 5:15:41 PM on 3/28/2006, emanresuisback said:
SUCK MY COCK MOTHERFUCKERS
for deleting my forum threads under "Jurassic Park Movies" as user emanresu00, titled "Possible JP4 plot based on evidence from the previous JP films" and "Two Isla Sornas (Site B)?"
At 12:02:42 PM on 3/28/2006, juniorx eternal said:
I LOVE JURASSIC PARK! but i think ive never been so excited with a movie like im being with POSEIDON
At 10:53:17 AM on 3/26/2006, mrprongs said:
"There's no mention of what happens in the notably different film version of the story"
Yes, in TWL.
At 3:19:02 AM on 3/26/2006, raptor2000 said:
>>At 7:26:27 PM on 3/25/2006, emanresu00 said:
The TLW novel also presents raptors snatching babies in remote Costa Rican villages.<<
I think those were compies doing the baby snatching, altho I remember a scene where the compies actually are eating a baby in it's crib when the babysitter or parent walks in.
At 9:33:15 PM on 3/25/2006, CeratosPit said:
And compies.
I really hope this series evolves but doesn't leave it's roots too far behind.
What I've been thinking is that roughly, twenty years ago, a company that's probably bankrupt by now discovered technology that can resurrect long dead sPecies. And I imagine that, in the JP Universe these mosquito filled amber stones must be more common than they are in real life. So, I'm curious in seeing the series develop, what happened with that technology? After all, Cell phones today are more advanced than any computer in 1986.
Would it all really stop at a theme park? By now, you'd think that wealthy socialites would be carrying around chihuaha sized triceratops in prada bags. There'd be Jurassic Parks (owned by other companies) in Europe, China, Australia with safety precautions that made the first look like a joke. With not only dinosaurs but stone-age mammals and gigantic triassic crustaceans and resurrected plants.
Now, I'm not saying I'd necessarilly like to see such a "Jurassic World" movie, (unless it was brilliantly written) but I'd like to see all we've previously seen go somewhere.
At 7:26:27 PM on 3/25/2006, emanresu00 said:
The TLW novel also presents raptors snatching babies in remote Costa Rican villages.
At 7:21:06 PM on 3/25/2006, emanresu00 said:
I agree with Carnotaur3 about dinos in the mainland (see another message of mine below), like Pteranodons or others, but just that and NOT necessarily about Pteranodons nesting at Universal Studios (!!!!). (Believe me, people can misinterpret stuff, like in a thread of mine mentioned next with a star *. This is because I am drawing similarities to a Scott Ciencin kids book whose cover presents Pteranodons landing at Universal).
My other ideas are maybe about the DX disease, or a prequel/flashback of what happened on Nublar between JP1 and TLW with its consequences for the present. We have been to Sorna twice already.
[In the book, Nublar is saturation bombed, killing all the dinosaurs. There's no mention of what happens in the notably different film version of the story.]
Depends if fans would like to see people going to the islands again or not. Not with pointless dinosaur action sequences which thematically are not contributing to the series like JP3 though.
Or about The Five Deaths islands and how they relate to the story. It has been said Spielberg had an influence on Crichton's writing of TLW in order to have elements keeping the franchise alive, such as DX of The Five Deaths.
* Note: My thread in the forum section under "Jurassic Park Movies-Possible JP4 plot based on evidence from the previous JPs") refers to Carnotaur3's idea.
However, a word of warning: By expressing the above ideas in the above mentioned thread, you risk being misinterpreted and repeatedly called "dumba*s" or "an idiot" (to say the least) by some very irritable silly people in there! Go figure...
At 12:32:26 PM on 3/25/2006, Carnotaur3 said:
I really do think Isla Nublar is still in, one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised if the main place is the mainland (but not anywhere in America or a city).
At 6:33:37 AM on 3/25/2006, mrprongs said:
But he might not have kept it, or be able to keep it in. At this point, even the promise of beng off island can be suspect. Though I think it might be too crucial to the over all plot.
At 9:27:14 AM on 3/24/2006, Carnotaur3 said:
From the script review, I don't think it was in the earlier ones. Spielberg said this scene when he was rewriting the script.
At 7:51:56 AM on 3/24/2006, mrprongs said:
"Spielberg said there is a scene with a bunch of people on motorcycles out running Raptors."
Are you sure it survived the rewrite?
At 12:22:01 AM on 3/24/2006, Danfield78 said:
I'd rather not have johnston come on board. I hate him more than a woman's right to choose.
9/11 was a real quacktastrophy.
At 10:56:58 AM on 3/23/2006, Carnotaur3 said:
"I no it was a rumor..Isn't everything right now..whats not a rumor? The only thing that we know is that there will be a Jurassic Park IV....we dont know absolutely anything else.."
Facts:
William Monahan & John Sayles finished their drafts of Jurassic Park IV.
AICN reviewed it.
Spielberg was not pleased.
Spielberg rewrotethe script to keep surprises.
Spielberg said there is a scene with a bunch of people on motorcycles out running Raptors.
Spielberg, Kennedy, and Marshall are wanting to start producion on JP4 at the end of this year.
They are searching for a director. It might be Joe Johnston.
That's more than knowing there will be a JP4. We got some good facts so far.
At 11:24:28 PM on 3/21/2006, JSSeaDub06 said:
I no it was a rumor..Isn't everything right now..whats not a rumor? The only thing that we know is that there will be a Jurassic Park IV....we dont know absolutely anything else..
At 2:33:03 PM on 3/21/2006, raptor2000 said:
I agree with pack raptor.
That was in extremely bad taste juniorx...and if I recall, it's not the first time you've done that.
At 10:48:25 AM on 3/21/2006, juniorx eternal said:
: (
At 8:22:37 AM on 3/21/2006, pack raptor said:
What the hell? What type of comparison is that juniorx? If you're going to bash a director's career then at least do it with some forethought. You're just blurting out crap.
At 9:04:33 PM on 3/20/2006, juniorx eternal said:
aalex proyas will destroy jp4 just like bin laden did with he world trade center
At 11:05:29 AM on 3/20/2006, Carnotaur3 said:
Alex Proyas was a rumor and it was shot down by Proyas a long time ago.
They weren't looking for a director back then. But they re now.
At 8:01:45 AM on 3/20/2006, pack raptor said:
I think that Alex Proyas turned down JPIV. If he hasn't yet, I'm pretty sure he will.
At 2:02:52 AM on 3/20/2006, JSSeaDub06 said:
Dont forget..Johnston did do October Sky..He is a credible director..It's not like he wrote the script for JP III..Universal writers did, and the difference from Chrictons take was obvious..This go round, its obvious they've been avoiding that mistake.Other then Spielberg, Johnston,and Winston, Ive heard possibly of Alex Proyas..Who has done great in science fiction...I-Robot, Dark City..!!
At 9:11:22 AM on 3/19/2006, juniorx eternal said:
RAPTOR SAID..
" and thru all that managing to find and hang on to Grant's hat."
that was the worst!
At 1:14:34 AM on 3/19/2006, raptor2000 said:
Well there have only been three, but I agree it was a horrible ending.
I didn't mind Billy surviving though....even if it is extremely had to believe Billy:
A. Survived the pteronodon attack
B. Floated all the way down the river and
C. Made it to the beach before everyone else, and thru all that managing to find and hang on to Grant's hat.
At 3:26:07 PM on 3/18/2006, juniorx eternal said:
i wanted to see billy die but he didnt in the WORST JP ENDING SCENE EVER!
At 9:31:33 AM on 3/18/2006, pack raptor said:
At 11:33:14 PM on 3/17/2006, raptor2000 said:
"And yet, of all the JP movies, she was the one person out of all three that the most people wanted to see die.
Go figure."
Well, I wanted to see Amanda Kirby get eaten more than anybody. She was so frickin' annoying.
At 7:01:52 AM on 3/18/2006, mrprongs said:
It's not. Kelly might survive the trip down the T-rex's throat, but she sure won't like the exit much.
At 2:27:18 AM on 3/18/2006, Varan101 said:
BTW, yes, that trailer mentioned in this particular thread was a fan film made by the dude who use to run loscincomuertes.com (if that site is still around, dunno).
At 11:33:14 PM on 3/17/2006, raptor2000 said:
And yet, of all the JP movies, she was the one person out of all three that the most people wanted to see die.
Go figure.
At 11:20:01 PM on 3/17/2006, CeratosPit said:
>>You seem to forget about Kelly in TLW. (even though she wasn't a dude)<<
I did not. She was the sole child, a 12 year old girl with a white daddy. She could have worn a suit made out of ground beef and bacon bits and shoved herself down a rex's throat and survived.
At 5:12:43 PM on 3/17/2006, juniorx eternal said:
I WONDER if kathleen kennedy and even spielberg had ever seen our chat... here...
At 9:33:05 PM on 3/16/2006, juniorx eternal said:
you said EVERYTHING ceratopit!!! good job!
i just hope the production of JP4 see this..
At 11:01:20 AM on 3/16/2006, raptor2000 said:
>>Why don’t black dudes ever get off those islands?<<
You seem to forget about Kelly in TLW. (even though she wasn't a dude)
At 4:41:29 AM on 3/16/2006, MartinRandle said:
I agree with a lot of what was said here, the lack of believability of Erics survival, the lack of concern for the death of Ben, brightly lit warm colours. Etc.
I don't think Johnston is up to the standard of Spielberg, and I don't think Spielberg is up to the standard of Jurassic Park.
I would like to see a darker film with more suspense and intensity and less - Look at this dinosaur - that one cost $2mil - wait.... Now look at THIS dinosaur - this one cost $4mil.
The script for JP3 was bad. The concept weak and it seemed like nothing more than a way of stringing enough sound bites together to make a decent trailer.... "T-Rex" "No sounds bigger" We probably won't get off this island alive" "No this is how you play God" "It's calling for help" "They set a trap, they actually set a trap" "It's an Aviary" - "for what?"
"No, call for help"
There you go, a handful of sound bites from memory and you almost have the entire plot mapped out.
Weak corporate writing, weak timid direction. There is no balls at all, it is set piece after set piece.
At least in Jurassic Park you had the parallel plots and experiences of Nedry, Alan and the kids, Hammond and the park management team. When they met up they again split, kids vs raptors Ellie vs raptor. The heroes vs Raptors.
TLW you had the parallel experiences of The hunters and the gatherers, plus the subplot of parents protecting children.
JPIII you had run away run away, grant and Eric / the other. All back together again 5 minutes later. All together running running running stop!
Johnston's style was Lazy, weak, and wholly unimaginitive. If this was his showreel I would let him direct a Teletubbies movie and that's it!
At 12:21:55 AM on 3/16/2006, CeratosPit said:
Ten places where JP3 went wrong (IMO).
10- Rescue mission: It’s been done.
As Ian Malcolm put it in TLW, “This isn’t a research expedition anymore, it’s a rescue mission.” (or something to that degree) At least The Lost World’s plot evolved from that simple premise. JP3’s plot was a rescue mission through and through without any real developing storyline about the dinosaurs or the island. Isla Sorna was just a setting and no longer a focal point of the story. sPeaking of which…
9- Unresolved subplots.
"That’s because it wasn’t on InGen’s list. Makes you wonder what else they were up to." You know, it kind of did. Why would InGen sPend billions of extra dollars engineering dinosaurs and not bother to tell anybody about it? Why are the raptors “evolving” at an accelerated pace? What killed the guys on the boat? Well, maybe we’ll find out in JP4. But at least we found out why Paul Kirby said that the Buick was totaled!
8- Kids are annoying.
“The kids got resources. Remember what it was like when we tried to ground him?” So, a 13 year old with a bottle of T-rex whiz can last for 8 weeks alone on an island with the most efficient predators on the planet, but two heavily armed mercenaries can’t last for 8 minutes? SusPension of disbelief aside, most fans of the series got sick of little kids after Kelly Malcolm. Maybe if Eric was a year older and in high school, he could have been a more interesting and original character. Maybe.
7- The adults weren’t much more bearable.
They’re a divorced couple who rekindle their romance when they realize their son is in peril. Awww… Divorce being a recurring theme nobody cares about aside, was there any good reason for these two to have been broken up in the first place? The introduction of Uber-important Ben Hildebrand? The occasional glances Amanda gives Paul wondering if there’s still something there? The desPerate need for some kind of dramatic qualities between two underwritten characters? Well, seeing as how Alan and Ellie sPlit up and walk down the very platonic road of friendship now, you’d think Dr. Grant would have hooked up a with foxy divorcee. (Tea haters, you know you’d hit that if you had the chance) Sure they’d have to tweak her character some to match his, but at least we’d be sPared the cheesy “parents reuniting” subplot. And Paul? Hell, we could just kill him off!
6- Paul Kirby should have died.
Grant can’t die cuz he’s the main character. Amanda can’t die cuz she’s the only female. Eric can’t die, because then the film is pointless. So that leaves Paul. Was he likeable? Yeah, in that bumbling, way in over his head, decent human being kind of way. But that’s all the more reason he should have died. We knew the mercs were gonna bite the big one, Udesky didn’t really have any reason to justify survival and who gave a rat’s ass about Ben or Enrique? Killing off a husband and father, who put this mission together in the first place would have pulled some heart strings rather than making it feel like some flick where only unimportant characters die. That’s a cop-out right there. Also, it would have made Billy’s “resurrection” more welcome since another important character was lost.
5- Time sure flies when your in mortal peril!
A ninety three minute running time is way too short. A Jurassic film should at the very least be two hours, if only to make us look back at the end of the film and feel like we just saw something. This didn’t feel so much as an anticipated motion picture event as it did a nifty way to kill some time.
4- Long Live The-- never mind…
I can understand wanting to create a new incredibly famous dinosaur. JP did, after all, have great success in that when they introduced the whole world to velociraptors. What made it such a hit was that it was the opposite of what a scary dinosaur is supposed to be (huge/slow/dumb) and yet it became a much more susPenseful antagonist than T-rex ever was. To this day, it’s debatable as to which dinosaur is the most popular. But one sure thing is, desPite JP3’s efforts, it ain’t sPiney. One reason could be is that he’s just bigger/slower/dumber than the rex. Another is that he had one scene and then went on to kill off the world’s favorite dino. Perhaps if we got to know him better first and then saw him kill off rex around the end, it wouldn’t have been so bad. Or hell, they could have waited until JP4 to do this. But instead, sPiney was shoved down our throats. And now, he’s about as popular as the compies.
3- No action for the Herbivores.
A duckbill stampede. That was pretty much it. And it wasn’t nearly as cool as the stampede in TLW either. Sure they introduced Ankylosaurs, but all they did was graze and drink. They couldn’t club the sPit out of something? Triceratops couldn’t have gored anything? Brachiosaurus couldn’t have stepped on anyone?
2- Racism strikes again!
In the tradition of Sam Jackson and that screaming dude who looks like Carl Winslow from Family Matters, Bruce Young plays dark meat on the dinosaur menu in this go around. Why don’t black dudes ever get off those islands? Or hisPanic dudes for that matter. Enrique and his boat driving buddy fall victim to size 70 dino-sneaker Carter’s curse. Why couldn’t Billy have been black? Or Amanda Kirby have been a bootylicious Venezuelan?
1- Didn’t even live up to half decent sequel.
TLW had huge vehicles! Guns! A villain! Strippers! Some semblance of a plot! Twice as many dinosaurs as the first film! An adorable baby T-rex! A weirdo on the subway! And a rampage through a populated area! Well, maybe not strippers, but JP3 didn’t have any either. Point is, only thing that JP3 really had going for it was an all too short battle of semi-epic proportions and some pissed off pteranodons. At least this means it should be easy for JP4 to top, but it shouldn’t have to be. TLW built off the fact that JP created dinosaurs. How did JP3 build off the fact that TLW showed the world that they were real? Grant finding it more difficult to work. Hell, even the name Jurassic Park 3 was half-assed. The Lost World: Jurassic Park enticed our imaginations before we even knew what the film was about. Jurassic Park 3 just kind of said “A second sequel to Jurassic Park”. How did they go from one to the other? We may never know…
At 7:10:28 PM on 3/15/2006, emanresu00 said:
Well, I think anything is possible. Everyone was coming up with suggestions for JP3 too, but I do not think many of us suspected the plot that ended up as JP3
At 11:11:53 PM on 3/14/2006, raptor2000 said:
I agree with what you said about the movie...however, if the anticipation leading up to JP3 was the greatest time of your life....well no offense but you need to get out a little more often. :-P
At 10:31:58 PM on 3/14/2006, RaptorHiss said:
To me, JPIII seemed entertaining only because it was a Jurassic Park movie, which everybody keeps saying; "It's a Jurassic Park movie, enjoy it!" The thing is, JP and TLW were more than movies, they were experiences. Even my non JP fans say they are good movies, even when they're not obsessed with it as much as we all are. JPIII on the other hand seemed more like a fan film, ment to please the fan boys with big explosions and lots of chasing around. To say JPIII wasn't entertaining and fun and all of those great things is a lie; however to say it is a good movie would be a stretch.
On the other hand, the anxiety and building up to its release was easily the greatest time in my life and I wouldn't take that back for a second. I owe that much to the movie JPIII
At 4:42:08 PM on 3/14/2006, Carnotaur3 said:
Spielberg didn't con actors... he conned STARS.
Sam Neill and Jeff Goldblum aren't NO NAME ACTORS. They weren't then and they aren't now.
And neither was Samuel L. Jackson.
At 4:20:31 PM on 3/14/2006, raptor2000 said:
I agree...one of the strengths of the previous JP movies is that they did not focus on big name actors and I think they need to continue that with JP4...the only obvious exceptions would be returning characters from the previous movies.
At 4:13:13 PM on 3/14/2006, Jaab said:
That was the beauty of JP1. As a kid I didn't know anything about filmmaking or actors, the JP world became real to me, it didn't feel like a movie.
At 3:53:31 PM on 3/14/2006, Coprolite said:
Yeah, we need good actors, but no famous ones. I don't want to see whatever JP4 character and say "oooo that's so and so" because then he'd just be an actor through out the whole film and not who ever we're supposed to believe he is.
-The PooRock-
At 12:07:43 PM on 3/14/2006, Jaab said:
No famous people!
At 10:55:23 AM on 3/14/2006, juniorx eternal said:
I AGREE MR. FLOPPY
and i want to see FAMOUS people in it, just like natalie portman or keira kneightley.. brad pitt.. i dunno ! famous people!
At 1:14:48 PM on 3/13/2006, MrFloppy said:
And please, use the "Jurassic Park: Extinction" idea. We need to go back to the mix "action + science".
At 12:59:10 PM on 3/13/2006, MrFloppy said:
Get Alex Proyas in!
At 12:40:07 PM on 3/13/2006, emanresu00 said:
I guess they could not fit pelicans in TLW for too long, as they could become dino dinner in no time... Not to mention how they'd fit the story to begin with...
We already saw the symbolism about dinos as bird ancestors in JP1.
At 12:13:23 PM on 3/13/2006, Jaab said:
Well a script for TLW did leak out on the internet two years before the movie actually came out. It was about pelicans taking over the world. Somehow it didn't make it on screen...
Oh well, our loss!
At 11:57:58 AM on 3/13/2006, raptor2000 said:
>>Did they end JP3 with the pteranodons flying away just because they looked pretty?<<
They ended JP1 with pelicans flying away from Nublar, but they didn't use that in TLW or JP3. :-P
At 11:36:42 AM on 3/13/2006, emanresu00 said:
To support my theory:
The book I am referring to has the same storyline as JP3, strangely enough. Check it out on Amazon. It's about the same kid flying over and falling on the island.
However, raptor2000's concept regarding how Nublar survives after JP, is good as a JP4 story.
I think Universal may be playing around with fans to see their reaction, concerning leaking of the supposed real script for JP4 with "mercenary style" super smart raptors. Come on. Professional scriptwriters I talked to did not fall for the story.
Then again, if it were true, crucial things like the script can leak sometimes even though the filmmakers naturally protect their idea so much. You never know.
Let's see what they come up with this time, perhaps what could have happened 6 or 7 years after JP3, and not 4 like the other JPs. Did they end JP3 with the pteranodons flying away just because they looked pretty?
Time will show.
At 6:23:50 AM on 3/13/2006, mrprongs said:
I think that was a fan movie.
At 4:58:00 AM on 3/13/2006, Mighty Rex said:
emanresu00: what the hell are you talking about?!
There's no such trailer, how could there've been? Production will probably start by the end of this year, if were lucky.
At 12:24:08 AM on 3/13/2006, raptor2000 said:
Yeah sorry, I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about any such trailer either.
And JP3 was not based off any books...I don't think anyone wants a JP movie based off a kids book.
Nor do I think anyone wants a follow up to JP3. Each of the JP movies was more or less not a direct follow up to the previous movie...each one took place four years after the previous one, and followed a new storyline. I think people want that for JP4 too. The only direct follow-up sequel to a JP movie that anyone would want I think would be a sequel that takes place immediately after the first JP movie, perhaps explaining how Nublar survives?
At 8:37:26 PM on 3/12/2006, juniorx eternal said:
i think you dreamed! thre is no such trailer..
At 6:54:02 PM on 3/12/2006, emanresu00 said:
POSSIBLE JP4 PLOT BASED ON EVIDENCE FROM THE PREVIOUS JP FILMS?
JP and TLW were based on Crichton's respective novels. JP3 seems to have been based on one book of the series "Jurassic Park Adventures", by Scott Ciencin for young readers.
Since the Pteranodons are presented flying away from the island at the end of JP3, could JP4 be based on another one of the 3 or 4 books in the "Jurassic Park Adventures" series? One of these books is about the Pteranodons flying off to the mainland, nesting and causing destruction.
This is a logical follow up to JP4, and adapting a good book seems to be easier and safer than writing a completely new script. It has been done so far for the JP series. And if Universal has the rights for a total of six JP films, these books may be one source.
And one small thing: A while before the release of JP3, I was on the web looking for JP3 trailers.
One of these trailers (I do not recall the site it was on) showed a girl I think, playing with her dog near a sandy beach (in California maybe?). The dog jumps into a bush to get a ball or something. Then a T-Rex roar is followed by the dog's cry, and T-Rex's head appears momentarily before the trailer ends. Has anyone else seen this one? Would be interesting if the studio had made this irrelevant trailer for some reason.
At 7:45:24 AM on 3/12/2006, juniorx eternal said:
I AGREE!!! REALISM!! PLEASE!!
not boys survivng 8 weeks in islands full of dinossaurs!!
At 2:26:44 PM on 3/11/2006, Coprolite said:
"..I just want to see a JP movie where the women and kids get eaten and the heavily armed men survive."
Amen to that! How is it that all of these bad ass mercenary-type dudes (ingen from TLW and the mercs in JP3 not to mention others) are the first ones to die with all of their technology and firepower and the only one who actually kills a dinosaur in the whole flipin' franchise is a 13 year old girl doing a flying flip kick thing?! WTF!!!! No more kid friendly crap we need some realism!
-The PooRock
At 11:44:42 AM on 3/11/2006, juniorx eternal said:
"And to be fair, JP3 was not as bad as some of you make it out to be. "
yes. that is true. JP franchise is only needing a Magical touch to ressurect! i just know it!
At 10:28:55 AM on 3/11/2006, raptor2000 said:
And to be fair, JP3 was not as bad as some of you make it out to be.
At 10:27:37 AM on 3/11/2006, raptor2000 said:
I dunno...I might have to agree with Dan on this one. While the script was poor, Johnston did try to direct the script he was given as best he could, so it's only at best partially his fault.
Still...I would prefer for JP4 that they either brought back Spielberg or brought in a new director.
At 3:49:52 AM on 3/11/2006, ellersaur said:
I am going to echo the sentiment of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO on this news. Yeah, the script was awful on JP3, but my biggest issue was with Joe Johnston's complete inability to build tension and suspense during the action scenes. This film needs someone who can at least come remotely close to capturing that Spielberg 'touch'. Keep Joe awayyyyyy...
At 12:25:40 AM on 3/11/2006, Majestic-1 said:
..I just want to see a JP movie where the women and kids get eaten and the heavily armed men survive.
At 10:26:12 PM on 3/10/2006, pack raptor said:
At 9:49:28 PM on 3/10/2006, heeheemonkey
"You see, it's the directors job to make the film that they like. They're not supposed to just bend over and take it! If they're unhappy with something, they change it and make it better.
I mean, Spielberg changed the entire ending of Jurassic Park! Simply because he thought it would be better. That's why Spielberg is a legendary director."
Well, a Director can make changes if the Studio backing them is okay with it. Otherwise, changes won't be made. The film may be the Director's work, but it's the Studio's investment. So a director won't usually challenge a studio because the studio signs the director's checks. Except for Steven Spielberg, he has the power to make drastic changes to a film because he has proven his box-office appeal many times over. So a studio head is more willing to let him make changes to a film. But in the case of Joe Johnston,... he's Joe Johnston. He's had some decent films under his belt but when it comes down to it, they won't take the risk of letting him make big changes.
At 9:49:28 PM on 3/10/2006, heeheemonkey said:
raptor2000 wrote:
"Directors always act like they are please with a script...because how would it look for a movie if even the director publicly thought the script sucked.
I'm willing to bet that deep down he may have been a little dissappointed with how it turned out. (not financially, of course. JP3 did quite well at the box office)"
If that is true and he is just pretending to like it because it's his film, then I will lose even more respect for him.
You see, it's the directors job to make the film that they like. They're not supposed to just bend over and take it! If they're unhappy with something, they change it and make it better.
I mean, Spielberg changed the entire ending of Jurassic Park! Simply because he thought it would be better. That's why Spielberg is a legendary director.
At 7:36:06 PM on 3/10/2006, heeheemonkey said:
"Dinosaur pops up here. Escape. Dinosaur pops up there. Escape."
"But this is how the JP movies have ALWAYS worked!"
I can't agree. I'm with you that none have had a deep, involving plot, but like I said, JP had the struggle to get the power back on. TLW had Malcolm trying to stop Ludlow's team.
These are all in addition to the standard "get off the island" scenario.
I mean, in TLW, they weren't even trying to get off the island until halfway through.
In JP3, that's ALL it was. Get off the island. From 20 minutes into the film and onwards, it was a shooting gallery. "Here's a dino. There's a dino. No time for plot. More effects shots, please!"
At 7:02:20 PM on 3/10/2006, juniorx eternal said:
"DAN SAID: so honestly, why not just give us a movie with dinosaurs, explosions, chases, action, and such and call it a day."
Dan WE and YOU of course dont want another "A SOUND OF THUNDER" do we?
At 3:11:48 PM on 3/10/2006, Carnotaur3 said:
I think IT is possible to approach the original.
They need to boost the suspence factor and return to Isla Nublar with a very complex plot on how they got there, what their motives are, and what they are going to take home with them when they get off the damned island. There has to be an importance to going to the island... and revisiting where this all started is magically in and of itself.
That's MY Jurassic Park IV.
At 2:08:19 PM on 3/10/2006, Dan said:
"Dinosaur pops up here. Escape. Dinosaur pops up there. Escape."
But this is how the JP movies have ALWAYS worked! They've never had a "story" in the traditional sense: They're all -- even the first one -- made up set-pieces where the audience goes along and hits each one. The story is completely linear, in a "..and this happens, and this happens, and then this happens, and then they get off the island. The End." type manner. The story is the setting -- i.e. "a park with dinosaurs", and the rest is people escaping that setting.
-Dan
At 1:55:37 PM on 3/10/2006, Dan said:
It's funny that a lot of people are still pissed about the feathed raptors and the T-rex gettin' killed. To the first one, GET OVER IT. To the second one, I'm SURE in JP4 the T-rex will get his revenge. So forget about that. No one can say honestly Johnston did a bad job -- he directed the script he was given perfectly.
The real problem with this franchise is it just must be really HARD to make a JP movie with a story that isn't a) ridiciliously silly, and b) lives up to the first one. I mean, one of the hottest screenwriters in Hollywood took a stab at JP4 and you can see what happened with that -- we have dinosuars with TMNT names fighting crime. Even look at the fan fiction section -- most of the stories are like JP3: action sequences with dinosaurs.
So I guess what I'm saying is it's very unlikely we'll get a JP1 again -- so honestly, why not just give us a movie with dinosaurs, explosions, chases, action, and such and call it a day.
-Dan
At 11:37:02 AM on 3/10/2006, juniorx eternal said:
rush hour, missin impossiblem shrek , austin powers and much more could SURPASS THE PREDECESSORS"..
why cant JP??
At 11:34:56 AM on 3/10/2006, juniorx eternal said:
Dan i DISAGREE with you.
Joe Johnston is a very good director and did a "normal" job in jp3 but in JP MOVIES we dont want "normal" jobs we want FANTASTIC jobs!
just 1 example 4 u..
the people almost die in the first day at sorna and an idiot boy SURVIVED 8 WEEKS and yet was able to get TIRANOSSAURS PEE???!!
oh ! plz gimme a break
At 8:03:21 AM on 3/10/2006, KayMan2K said:
Great! First we have plot 'rumors' that descrive a movie similar to a bad Saturday morning kids show (raptors with guns!? seriously!?). Now, news that that the director of the WORST JP MOVIE EVER (yup, of all three) is coming back.
They are killing the franchise.
At 7:59:45 AM on 3/10/2006, butterhook said:
I agree with most that JP3 was weaker than the first two films, and though it was A) a different director and B) 4 years later, Isla Sorna didn't seem like the same island. The two different species (if thats actually how they are to be interpreted, the flash in the plane with Grant remembering the feathered raptor gives it a sense of 'this is how they ALWAYS were and cinema-land has changed them for our 'benefit') of raptors on the same island doesn't seem to fit, and the spino subtracts immencely from the notion of dinosaurs as animals. The dialogue seemed forced and tinny (as in the sound you get with rubbish speakers), and though Sam Neil retained his character well, the other characters also seemes forced. The plot didn't have a story much beyond a prehistoric Tom and Jerry cartoon. As I've always said, JP3 needed more science in it to make it a JP movie.
Having said all they, I did like several things about the film. The look we got into lab where InGen did their Sorna work, and another look at the facility, this time in the light. The development of Grants character, I felt, was interesting. He's still the grumpy old man he was in JP, but now older. Spino, although he was clumbsy and not animal like, I would like to see back in JP4, though he would need to be a bit more real-seeming. E.g. feel pain, or bathe, or whatever.
Johnson for JP4? Sure why not, as long as Spielburg has close ties with the production of the film, I think that could be okay.
butterhook
At 7:24:20 AM on 3/10/2006, DarthMaulSithLord said:
Joe Johnston did a horrid job with JP3. Spielberg should do this one and he should've done the last one.
At 12:39:31 AM on 3/10/2006, Vinsfeld said:
I agree with what everybody said. If they want to redeem themselves for the lack of any explanation as to the abrupt change in raptors, or better yet, why the previous ones didnt have feathers, they could say that splicing their genes with that of frogs created these "theme park monsters" and over the period of years through breeding, mother nature transformed them or something to that effect.
i like the idea of dinosaurs being animals and seen as animals, not as monsters (spinosaur) or as smarter than primate creatures (raptors) Put more focus on the humans and try to convey a plot and theme about man tampering with nature and the mistakes it causes rather than "ooo dinosaurs, man running, and yay happy ending."
I think a darker ending would be good, however i do NOT want an ending like t3 with the dinosaurs overpopulating and the world is in chaos. a perfect ending would consist of the world possibly not knowing if their are dinosaurs left, but maybe the camera pans and you see something moving through the jungle, and the essence of the overall theme of life finding a way lingers as the credits role.
please don't make another popcorn summer flick.
At 12:35:33 AM on 3/10/2006, raptor2000 said:
>>It was a cash-in. They did it to make money; not advance the JP storyline. There was no advancement in the Jurassic Park universe; nothing to put on a timeline that mattered.<<
That is very true. The only thing it really accomplished in the JP universe was that now both Grant and Malcom have been to both Nublar and Sorna.
>>Now, I know it wasn't entirely Johnston's fault. He didn't write the script. My problem is that he just seemed so pleased with it.<<
Directors always act like they are please with a script...because how would it look for a movie if even the director publicly thought the script sucked.
I'm willing to bet that deep down he may have been a little dissappointed with how it turned out. (not financially, of course. JP3 did quite well at the box office)
>>Lastly, everythings just a little too bright and colourful<<
Very true...in TLW, it actually felt like we were in the jungle on a remote island (minus the high hide scene where you can clearly see the jungle/trees go to a point then turn into a painting).
In JP3, however, it always felt kind of cramped, and you could usually tell when they were on a sound stage or not.
At 12:26:48 AM on 3/10/2006, coronado said:
okay.. main reasons to me why jp3 sucked..
no heavily customized vehicles (Explorers in JP, Mercedes M-Class in TLW)..
and wtf with killing off the king? I don't care if the Spino was bigger. The T-rex is JP's backbone.
oh and while I'm at it.. another reason is that where the heck was the Spino in TLW if JP3 was the same island? one movie the t-rex family is in charge and the next, a fully grown spinosaur. no sense made.
At 11:17:18 PM on 3/9/2006, heeheemonkey said:
Like I've always said:
JP3 would've made a much better videogame than a film.
Dinosaur pops up here. Escape. Dinosaur pops up there. Escape.
That's how the movie worked. It would've been more fun to play than watch.
And the fact that the plot was thinner than a skin cell didn't help much either.
The first two films had a story. Not just "Kid implausibly lands on the island. Let's recuse him and then find a way off ourselves."
JP had the theme park and the struggle to get the power back. TLW had InGen trying to capture the dinos and Malcolm's team trying to thwart them. JP3 had nothing. Just effects.
It was a cash-in. They did it to make money; not advance the JP storyline. There was no advancement in the Jurassic Park universe; nothing to put on a timeline that mattered.
Now, I know it wasn't entirely Johnston's fault. He didn't write the script. My problem is that he just seemed so pleased with it.
We'll just have to see...
At 10:23:27 PM on 3/9/2006, SpinoMonkey said:
"Lastly, everythings just a little too bright and colourful"
EXACTLY
At 10:06:29 PM on 3/9/2006, Carter said:
Dialogue
Okay, so none of the films are know for their wordplay (though there are scenes worth an honourable mention) but at least the first two films made an effort. In JP/// we’re forced to endure stories about fishing trips, sick mercenaries and paragliding accidents, it’s what’s known as waffle. It has no point or relevance, it’s simply there to pass the time, to stretch the movie out. Now there’s less in the first two films combined than there is in the 3rd, and in a film that clocks in at a lazy 90 minutes, that’s unforgivable.
Acting
Gone was the classical English actors like Attenborough and Postlethwaite. Actors who brought a sense of seriousness and dignity to parts which otherwise may have fallen flat. No more was the eccentricities, objectiveness and quirky wit that Malcolm bought to the series. What they were replaced with isn’t even worth talking about.
Suspense
Where was it? Speaking for myself, I’d rather see one great scene of cat and mouse than any of the countless scenes of running and screaming in JP///. I like to be drawn into a film of this type, and only the first two films succeeded in doing that. There were times when you almost felt like you were with the characters, watching the shimmering cup of water, hearing the eerie thud of the T.rex’s approach, and hiding from the raptors in the kitchen. Where you could almost feel the breath of the T.rex during the Trailer scene, the need to duck during the tent scene, and run during the trek through the long grass.
All too often in JP/// dinosaurs were just popping up out of nowhere, and before you had chance to think another repetitive chase was ensuing. Now I’ve got nothing against a bit of mindless escapism, but I think a JP film needs a little more than that, it needs teeth so to speak, to retain its realism, and the sense that there are dangerous animals on the island that will go to great lengths to stalk and kill things like us.
The Dinosaurs
- In a sorry attempt to thicken out the vapour thin plot the Raptors were made out to be some kind of ultra smart, superdino. "They could talk to each other"!!!!! And lived in a happy family were everyone came running to help each other out, and would even chase 2 eggs across the length of an island, and then let the people who stole them live at the end. I’ll tell you one thing, I’d love to know who pulled that one out of their ass. In the first two films these things were simply ruthless but smart killing machines which were both said to, and shown to have no qualm with killing each other in order to establish dominance They had a mean streak and I liked that, in fact I wouldn’t have minded if they’d gone a step further and taken a note from TLW novel, showing their negligence to the young when short of food.
- Also the Rex was a pussy in it. If he makes the 4th it'd be nice if he showed a bit of teeth this time.
Cinnematography
Lastly, everythings just a little too bright and colourful, not to the extent of Kong thankfully, but a big step in the wrong direction. It certainly didn’t aid the look of the dinosaurs that’s for sure. Kaminzki’s work on TLW made the island seem tangible, and rooted in reality. Drab colours, mist and darkness works, it adds to the mood, why change that?
As for Johnston coming back, it all depends on what kind of film he’s prepared to make. Hopefully he’ll understand by now that there’s more to these films than how many FX shots you can cram in.
At 9:48:22 PM on 3/9/2006, SpinoMonkey said:
The problem I have with JP3 is this, JP and TLW still remained a certain amount of dark gritty entertainment. They had develped plots and had a good amount of thought in them.
But JP3 didn't really have that. The movie wasn't deep enough, not to mention the humans in the movie seemed to be running from one dino to the next in the movie, unlike the other movies, where the humans were running from place to place and encountering problems. JP3 just seemed like it was trying to show as many dino's as poss. in a short amount of time. It was like a crappy fan fic. So for those reasons I don't like the movie, I believe if they had put more thought and effert into the movie JP3 still could have been a good movie.
-monkey-
At 9:43:39 PM on 3/9/2006, raptor2000 said:
Oh and there was one other thing I wanted in JP3...I wanted the t-rex to win.
At 7:53:07 PM on 3/9/2006, raptor2000 said:
I agree with Dan...the only thing I wanted was more story depth...and a longer movie. I personally don't hate JP3 though...in fact I kind of like it...and I still prefer it over TLW.
I suppose it would be ok to have Johnston back, as long as they avoid the mistakes they made last time (like starting to make the movie before the script was done), but I personally would like to see someone else directing...maybe someone new, or bring Spielberg back.
At 6:26:47 PM on 3/9/2006, JPFan14 said:
Okay, heres what I said somewhere else:
"you know what, at first I was worried if he did but not so much anymore, the main reason for JP/// being such crap was because they started filming with a UNFINISHED script! I mean you knew something bad would come out of it, but for JP IV, they have a finished script which to them is great, and they're taking there time on putting the last finishing touches on it, so hopefully Joe can do better this time, i'm just glad that he'll now have a complete script to work with, I mean his directing style was no Spielberg in JP/// but it wasn't at all horrible (though he still could have done better), but anyways, its not even official that he'll return so I won't talk about that anymore."
and Dan, don't you think its time to start working on "Dans JP4 Page"? ;)
At 6:10:15 PM on 3/9/2006, Dan said:
Here's a question to the people who didn't like JP3... what the hell did JP3 not have that you wanted? I mean, it was a JURASSIC PARK movie. It had dinosuars, special effects, chases, action, and it was entertaining. What was it missing that you think a JP movie should have? I've yet to recieve a coherent answer from anyone.
-Dan
At 5:10:19 PM on 3/9/2006, Coprolite said:
Oh dear
At 5:08:47 PM on 3/9/2006, Sinornis said:
...well there went that.
At 4:40:01 PM on 3/9/2006, Jurassiclaw said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
At 4:25:59 PM on 3/9/2006, monkeypuzzle said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
At 3:07:59 PM on 3/9/2006, fortuyn said:
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