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great! maybe this will explain the logo and other stuff we've been seeing... i can't wait to get some official news.
At 6:42:56 PM on 7/21/2005, distresspattern said:
I guess I can die happy, then.
At 8:39:13 AM on 7/21/2005, mrprongs said:
Oh yeah. The dinos raise goats all alone and go "Lay ee odl lay ee odl lay hee hoo"!
At 4:55:23 AM on 7/21/2005, distresspattern said:
Actually, it IS Santa Claus. Clause is a verbal term for a seperate or specific part of writing, not Kris Kringle. Go ahead, look it up.
Now, back to JP.
What's this I hear about that whack-ass script with Dinosaurs in the Alps being credible?
At 1:04:06 AM on 7/21/2005, raptor2000 said:
You didn't ruin my Christmas...I still get presents. Although we all know that's not what Christmas is about. :-P
By the way, you spelled Clause wrong.
At 12:00:19 AM on 7/21/2005, distresspattern said:
Nor is Santa Claus.
I just ruined your Christmas.
At 1:26:29 PM on 7/20/2005, raptor2000 said:
Just for the record, ya and booyah aren't real words either. ;-)
At 7:10:58 AM on 7/20/2005, mrprongs said:
Yeah, it's a new word. It means failing to use magic to spell right. Next time, type it yourself, ya lazy.
At 3:44:11 AM on 7/20/2005, distresspattern said:
Also, Spelled is spelled with two L's.
Can't believe I didn't notice that before.
At 8:11:23 PM on 7/19/2005, distresspattern said:
Genious: A person who tries to cleverly cover his mistakes with a sense of humor, while still coming off like a moron.
At 9:34:52 AM on 7/19/2005, mrprongs said:
What's it mean?
At 7:16:18 PM on 7/18/2005, distresspattern said:
I just made up a word, then. I just turned your negative into a positive. Booyah.
At 7:23:46 AM on 7/18/2005, mrprongs said:
Genius is not speled with an o.
At 6:12:52 AM on 7/18/2005, distresspattern said:
I am a genious.
At 10:03:15 AM on 7/16/2005, raptor2000 said:
Now add in the in space part, and you've got 3 or more fan bases. Like, Jurassic Park/Crocodile Hunter meets Star Wars/Star Trek.
At 5:31:31 AM on 7/16/2005, mrprongs said:
And has 2 built in fan bases.
At 6:19:45 PM on 7/15/2005, raptor2000 said:
>>At 5:12:15 PM on 7/15/2005, distresspattern said:
Here's my idea. JP4 is gonna mesh Jurassic Park and the Crocodile Hunter.
"Krikey! Look'a that Velociraptah! What a beaut!"
Hilarity, and dead Austrialians follow.<<
Well that idea is certainly alot less ridiculous then the previous script idea we have seen.
At 5:12:15 PM on 7/15/2005, distresspattern said:
Here's my idea. JP4 is gonna mesh Jurassic Park and the Crocodile Hunter.
"Krikey! Look'a that Velociraptah! What a beaut!"
Hilarity, and dead Austrialians follow.
At 1:08:47 PM on 7/15/2005, raptor2000 said:
Oooo yeah, and I like those big boxes you can get from places like quiktrip that have a bunch of different flavors! :-D
At 4:09:27 AM on 7/15/2005, mrprongs said:
Yeah, Nerds taste great, and you get two flavors in one box.
At 5:44:13 PM on 7/14/2005, MCHammer said:
Nerds.
At 7:54:34 AM on 7/11/2005, mrprongs said:
>little mad that his leg had >gotten smashed by a >dinosaur that was supposed >to have been safely >contained by and >unbreakable security system.
Whch he'd be the first to say was an impossible setup.
That worker was the one who's death they couldn't keep quiet.
The Trike's did eat the Lilacs, as they ate new gizzard stones. Solved in great help by a future piece of toast. Another fun cut scene. And yet, people rag they didn't see Ellie pull a stupid leaf. Well, that's not necessary. She suddenly has one, she must have grabbed it.
And a prequel of trying to set up a park wouldn't fy. Only die hard fans would be itnerested, if at all. Might as well make a movie showing their accounts in action.
Plus, going backwards never seems to work (ROTS not withstanding.)
But a flashback or two, would.
The problem is what kind of plot will work for JP4? Nobody wants a 4th island only adventure. And nobodyw nats a remake oft he Sna Diego scene, so any off island dinos needs a wowie zowie plot. And no, weapon toting dinos ain't it. Nor is a frozen wasteland, or talking dinos. But how about some good dinos? Where's the runaway baby carriage saving dino? Why are they like mindelss beats or intelligent killing machines? Where's their heart? And as so many have said before: Plant eater vs meat eater.
At 5:51:14 PM on 7/10/2005, Eyvind said:
Hi there!
Mrprongs, actually there was at least a worker killer before the events that we see in JP1... it happens in the very beggining of JP1, when they are in the jungle at night, working with the cage of a raptor... If they could covered up that dead, I guess that they could have covered up more. And in a possible prequel maybe they could be only injuried, nothing really serious, I don't know... or maybe it was because of a serie of deaths that the investidors enforce Hammond to take some experts to the park before it opens...
I really enjoyed reading the posts of all of you! You are taking the JP universe to a higher step! =)
At 1:42:46 PM on 7/10/2005, raptor2000 said:
Well for the main part, Nedry asked the guy at the boat for 15 minutes, and he said no promises, and even so, Nedry obviously didn't get there in time, so they left. There was nobody else stealing embryos, shutting down security systems, and/or getting to the boat late.
As for restricting the island, they most likely would do that, dinosaurs or not. If there weren't dinosaurs, they would restrict it because they wouldn't want anyone finding anything possibly left behind, the island would be a wasteland anyway, and if they used nuclear weapons to destroy the island, then it would be restricted due to the radiation.
If there were dinosaurs on the island, it would be restricted as well, obviously.
I can not buy your Ian Malcom story either, it's too far-fetched. Ian wouldn't go back to Nublar. The only reason he went to Sorna was to save his girlfreind, and keep in mind he had every intention of coming right back once he found her. The reason he spoke out is because that's just the kind of person he is, not to mention he was probably a little mad that his leg had gotten smashed by a dinosaur that was supposed to have been safely contained by and unbreakable security system.
The only prequel that would work for Jurassic Park would be telling the story of the troubles they faced while building the park and figuring out the dinosaurs personalities and things about them no one previously knew (like the speed of a t-rex, and the fact that the triceratops didn't eat the west indian lilac).
By the way....I just realized that they never really explained why the triceratops was sick in JP1.....
At 4:34:45 AM on 7/10/2005, mrprongs said:
Now how can you possibly know that everybody got off the island? Nedry was supposed to be on the boat, and wasn't.
And why restrict an island with nothing on it, that nobody ever reported having problems.
As for Malcolm on the island, flying over is nothing. I also like this idea that someone posted in some JP forum now gone the way of the dinos IRL, where Malcolm went back to JP during it's destruction, ran into problems with InGen that caused him to break the confidentiality agreement, and subsequently, had a major dino adventure (not a T-rex attack takes him out of action for the last half of the movie adventure), which caused his fear of dinos, and confirmed his need to blab. Yes, I know the T-rex pretty much covered that, but it was an idea for a TLW prequel, and would tie in some history from TLW to after JP. It also incldued a much worse leg injury, and his meeting Sarah Harding (over the new injury, not the original).
See, that's an idea for a prequel, not lookie Mr. Buisnes Man try to rais emoney and open a park with real dinosaurs. No action. Why? They failed to cover up one dude's death. How could they have previously covered up more?
At 1:59:45 AM on 7/10/2005, Bumpasaurus said:
"He also said he had a flee circus."
Now that's a brilliant idea for JP4! I want to see a prequel about that!:)
At 6:48:33 PM on 7/9/2005, raptor2000 said:
The park in Kenya wasn't a dinosaur park.
He said he had a resort in Kenya...I imagine it was some kind of luxury resort or something. He also said he had a flee circus. :-P
At 6:06:20 PM on 7/9/2005, jpdill said:
I was just watching JP1, and I realised that Hammond says he has a park in Kenya. Possible JP4 plot?
I personally think it'll be set in a city.
At 1:02:20 PM on 7/9/2005, raptor2000 said:
How could you possibly know if Nublar was restricted or not? Even if they did destroy every living thing on that island, it would probably still be restricted.
And do you seriously think Malcom would go anywhere near that island again by choice? You know he wouldn't especially not just to get pictures. He wouldn't even do that on Sorna. As for the Kirby's....I don't know what you are getting at there. The Kirby's hired a plane to go find their son, and they always had the intention of landing on the island.
By the way, there were no workers on Nublar at the point where the dinosaurs got out, they had all left on the boat. The only people still on the island were Muldoon, Hammond, Ellie, Grant, Lex, Tim, Malcom, Genarro (sp?), and Nedry. As for the raptor in the freezer...keep in mind there were three adult raptors on the island. We don't know if the one in the freezer was one of the two the T-rex killed or not. Also, I am farely certain the T-rex was perfectly capable of walking through a plastic sheet without someone having to remove it....if that's even where she came from. There's not really any way to have a parallel storyline to the first Jurassic Park, because the story follows pretty much all the characters on the island all the way up to either their deaths or escape from the island.
At 3:56:16 AM on 7/9/2005, mrprongs said:
Nublar wasn't restricted, it was dinoless. Hence Maclom looking the fool. He'd have hired a plane, zoomed over and took some pics with some creidtable eye witnesses. Even the Kirby's knew to set things up that way.
The comics did an interesting take with Return To Jurassic Park, and it had some of the workers having their own adventure during the JP Incident. It could tie into JP as well. Like when they find Macolm and you hear the T-rex. What f she was roaring at other humans? Or the trapped Raptor in the freezer that somehow gets out. What if we see workers opening the door, and getting killed as she escapes? Or somebody removes the plastic, and let's the T-rex in, when they see Grant, Ellie, and the kids about to become Raptor Chow (and get killed by the escaping rex, or have ther own escape route.
At 1:40:34 AM on 7/9/2005, raptor2000 said:
I don't think so. It might be interesting to see the events immediately preceding the incident in Jurassic Park but like it has been said before on here, no one knew about the shaving cream can but Dodgson and Nedry, and I don't think Nedry will be talking anytime soon, and Dodgson doesn't know where it ended up, and even if he did, it's buried under a bunch of mud. I don't know if Hammond, Arnold, Muldoon, and everyone else ever even figured out what exactly Nedry had stolen...they were all a little proccupied to check their stock in dino embryoes. I'd be up for a sequel right after JP1, but not if it had anything to do with the shaving can.
I don't see why you say islands are a joke at this point though. There's no reason why it shouldn't take place on an island, as long as they put an original spin on it. Even if it takes place mainly on the mainland, it still has to include the island in some way to show how the dinosaurs got to the mainland.
At 7:39:37 PM on 7/8/2005, Jurassiclaw said:
"I don't know whoever came up with the idea of possibly using that (shaving can) but if they did then that JP sequel would have to take place either during or a few hours after the original JP."
That could be interesting. And it would give the movie a timeline. Right after Grant & co leave the military arrive and they have 36 hours to get the emrbyos before they destroy the island.
Not only that, but they could make Nublar however big they want it to be, since it's never really clear just how big it is in the movie...
Still, islands are a joke at this point.
At 7:24:41 PM on 7/8/2005, Phily said:
hurrah
At 3:11:31 PM on 7/8/2005, raptor2000 said:
You saw what they had captured on Sorna in TLW before Nick and Sarah released them....pretty much at least one of everything except for the large carnivores. Just of the ones I can remember, there was Triceratops, Stegosaurus (1 baby, 1 adult), pachysepholosaurus (sp?), parasaurolophus, at least 2 compys, and T-rex (they had the baby and were trying to get the adult too) and they werent even done yet. Regardless of whether Nublar still had dinosaurs or not, they would have still gone to Sorna for them because there was more selection, and InGen wanted as much as they could get, and obviously they weren't afraid to take some big risks to get what they wanted.
Hammond couldn't keep Sorna secret from InGen even if he wanted to, because they built it. He wasn't trying to keep it secret from InGen anyway, he was trying to keep it secret from the public. InGen was his company, and they built the facilities on both Nublar and Sorna. The reason they went in to Sorna was not because they just found out about it, they knew it was there, and they were tired of Hammond not letting them exploit a potential source of huge amounts of income, so they had the board vote him out and bring in a new CEO.
And yes, if Nublar did have dinosaurs, they would have still had Sorna in the movies. It was where they bred the dinosaurs, and they knew there was a larger selection there, not to mention the island was alot smaller and they would have less grounds to cover in finding what they wanted. In terms of the distance they had to travel to get to either island, there was not enough difference between the distances of the two from Costa Rica for them to go to one and not the other when one had a larger variety of dinosaurs on it. Again, at that point, InGen was alot more interested in profit (and getting out of bankruptcy) than it was of the safety of the people it was sending in.
By the way, if you recall, in the beginning of TLW, Ludlow was condemning Ian Malcom for violating the contract he had signed about not saying anything about Jurassic Park, meaning he had told people what happened there and what was on Nublar, and the government had probably already condemned Nublar as restricted, just as they did to Sorna once they found out there were dinosaurs there.
At 4:21:07 AM on 7/8/2005, mrprongs said:
>If there were still >dinosaurs on both, don't >you think they would have >gone to the island with >more variety in dinosaurs
>(which they did)?
No. They're dealing with so many unknowns, it's best to start small. Grab a few here and there (they had like 7 on their info sheets), head back to San Diego JP, put em on display. Capture the hearts of people, head back to Nublar with reinforcements to capture the meatasaurs, then when enough capital has been raised, head to Sorna to diversify. It's just cheaper and safer to use Nublar. Especially since if Nublar was dinos, Hammond would still have kept Sorna a secret, since Ingen would have hit Nublar years agao. They only did this when they learend dinos still existed. And once again, if they knew dinos were on Sorna, they'd head straight to Nublar to check it out. More dinos equals more theme parks worldwide.
Finally, if Nublar had dinos, there'd be no Sorna in the movies. Ingen would have raided Nublar. Sorna was needed for the books. Not the movies. And it's not like they had to have 3% of the book used no matter what.
At 12:06:25 PM on 7/7/2005, raptor2000 said:
>>And from what I recall (and I've seen it alot!) they pretty much don't mention lysine again! They certainly don't state that the animals must be getting a rich dietary source, and that (for example) the fact that agama beans and soy must be abundant on the island for them to be able to survive! And of course, in the books, its the mainland of Costa Rica which the dinosaurs actually migrate (possibly) to, and thats how its discovered what they are eating to survive!<<
Actually Sarah does say something to the effect of the herbivores eat lysine rich plants, then the carnivores eat the herbivores which is why they are surviving...it's right before they run into the Stegosaurus nest.
>>And why did Ingen travel to Sorna, when Nublar was dino enriched and closer? Closer means less fuel, less time spent, equals cheaper. InGen needed money. They'd hit the nearest place full of dinos. Especially since Nublar would have less dinos.<<
If there were still dinosaurs on both, don't you think they would have gone to the island with more variety in dinosaurs (which they did)? If they were looking to create another Jurassic Park with lots of dinosaurs, don't you think they would have headed for the place where entire herds of each species were bred, instead of the place where there were only a couple of each (when it opened...I imagine some of the species never had the whole sex change thing and/or bred in time to keep from continuing that species on the island, so Nublar does't have near as many choices as Sorna)
>>And you think if dinos were there, we'd see new areas. why? We know JP4 is to be less island centric. The chances of seeing someplace new is very small.<<
How do we know that? We don't have any knowledge on JP4, other than a very early script that will probably be rewritten anyway. We have no idea whether the movie will take place on either Sorna and/or Nublar, or neither. The fact that it will be less centered on the islands is just a rumor spawned by people on here who don't want to see another JP3.
At 9:19:26 AM on 7/7/2005, ELSIE said:
"First off, the fact Malcom acts suprised there is a Site B proves nothing. It could simply be he is suprised to learn there is yet another island with even more dinosaurs that the first."
I think also that he is just amazed that Hammond/Ingen would be so stupid as to have another island (that they've kept secret for so long and not destroyed). Its like he's saying, after all this crap thats happened you still believe this can work?! Which yes, is about the whole point of the movie, but there you go.
"As for lysine on Nublar, we haed no more proof there were lysine rich plants on Nublar than we did on Sorna until we saw it on Sorna, so until we see otherwise on Nublar we have to believe the same thing."
I agree wholeheartedly with this, however (unless I have missed a glaringly obvious point), the films don't really make a big deal out of the fact that the plants must be lysine-rich on Sorna (and maybe on Nublar). As I recall it, Malcolm says to Hammond something like 'I thought they were supposed to kick after - days without lysine?' to which Hammond replies something like 'I know, but by God they didn't!'
And from what I recall (and I've seen it alot!) they pretty much don't mention lysine again! They certainly don't state that the animals must be getting a rich dietary source, and that (for example) the fact that agama beans and soy must be abundant on the island for them to be able to survive! And of course, in the books, its the mainland of Costa Rica which the dinosaurs actually migrate (possibly) to, and thats how its discovered what they are eating to survive!
I agree that the shaving cream can idea just would not work (in relation to JP4) - I've never been able to see how it would - especially when Dodgson expressly told Nedry how long the coolant would last for (I forget the exact time now - its something like 12 or 24 hours).
I think they could make a mint out of a 'prequel' - i.e. in the days when Hammond is trying to raise money, Biosyn could feature prominently, and consequently Dodgson would feature highly - it could really play on Hammond's venture capitalist side, and about things going wrong. Anyway, enough from me!
At 8:07:37 AM on 7/7/2005, mrprongs said:
>Or, that he thinks the >dinosaurs did not survive >on Site A,
He thinks no such thing. He knew Nublar was gone. He knew exactly what happened at Sorna. For some reason, he wet back to Sorna, and saw the dinos flourishing. Naturally, he'd hit Nublar next. Even if you assume he never saw Nublar destroyed, and was lied to by Ludlow, he'd have checked.
And yes Malcom's still alive proves everything. Still means any, not more. He'd have said there's still islands out there with dinos.
Did you ever pay attention to TLW's tagline? That tagline was written to let people know the dinos are not dead again. And yes Sorna alone has lysine enriched plants. That's the whole point. TLW's whole purpose was to give a viable excuse for dinos still living despite Nublar being destroyed. The whole point is that the dinos survived on Island 2, and recreated their old lives. it defeats the whole purpose to have dinos thriving on 2 islands. Hence why Hammond sent his team there. To video tap them, and show the world why the island needs to be protected from humans. There's no point if there's 2 islands. Heck, he'd have mentioned his second team sent Nublar's way. He'd have mentioned Nublar's survival because he'd want Malcolm to see man was meant to resurrect dinos.
And why did Ingen travel to Sorna, when Nublar was dino enriched and closer? Closer means less fuel, less time spent, equals cheaper. InGen needed money. They'd hit the nearest place full of dinos. Especially since Nublar would have less dinos.
And you think if dinos were there, we'd see new areas. why? We know JP4 is to be less island centric. The chances of seeing someplace new is very small.
No, the most I'd give for life on Nublar is one dino, and 40 somewhat plane crash survivors, including one Hobbit. :)
and about the can, it was focused on to foreshadow JP's ultimate failure (keeping in mind no real, firm plan for a sequel when it was written/filmed.) That everbody was right. bringing back dinos is wrong, and they belong buried in the ground. it was never a big flashing neon sign saying Sequel Plot Point. It can't be. We already know there was limited time for the embryos to be viable. and there's no way for Dodgeson to send another team within 36 hours, less, and have them know Nedry did steal embryos, track his car down, then decide to go sifting through mud to find the canister. Think. Nedry misses the boat. The captain tells Dodgeson Nedry missed the boat, Dodgeson curses, and writes Nedry off as a failure. Probably tried to contact him later, then begins planning Plan B. None of what logically must follow involves an immediate send out to find embryo's which obviously weren't recovered in Dodgeson's mind.
At 2:07:55 AM on 7/7/2005, raptor2000 said:
First off, the fact Malcom acts suprised there is a Site B proves nothing. It could simply be he is suprised to learn there is yet another island with even more dinosaurs that the first. As for lysine on Nublar, we haed no more proof there were lysine rich plants on Nublar than we did on Sorna until we saw it on Sorna, so until we see otherwise on Nublar we have to believe the same thing. And even if they did nuke (or napolm, or whatever the thell they did to Nublar in the book) Nublar in the movie world of JP, theres no way to know if it took out the entire population of dinosaurs. As for returning to Nublar just to see old dilapidated buildings....yes we saw those on Sorna in TLW and JP3, however what would make it special on Nublar would be the fact we saw what they looked like in their prime whereas on Sorna they were already old and falling apart when we first saw would be cool not only to see what time has done to those familiar locations from JP, but also to see the rest of the park that we didn't have a chance to get to in JP1. However, I would also like to see how the raptor population grew back (if it ever recovered) and how that t-rex is doing. As for the shaving can...well I agree 100% with you there. I don't know whoever came up with the idea of possibly using that but if they did then that JP sequel would have to take place either during or a few hours after the original JP.
As for them saying Nublar was destroyed in a scene that was deleted in the end anyway, keep in mind Ingen didn't tell anyone about Nublar OR Sorna until the incident in San Diego, and in the interest of protecting their creations it's possible they could have created the cover story of Nublar's dinosaurs being destroyed to keep people away. I know that's a little far-fetched but hey, until they give us the honest-to-God truth, all possibilities should be considered. I hope that instead of continuing the mindless dinosaur-killing-humans action of the previous JP sequel, JP4 will also return some depth to the series and dig in deeper into the JP legend......but I doubt it will happen.
At 11:52:55 PM on 7/6/2005, Ed Regis said:
you didn't pay attention to anything else I said, my friend
At 12:14:27 PM on 7/6/2005, Carnotaur3 said:
"Also as stated above, if Nublar still existed, why the heck did malcolm even care or act surprised when he heard Site B existed. PLUS-why did Hammond even SAY..."thank God for site B" if (contrary to the deleted scene)there were still dinosaurs on Nublar? It's not a speculation-it's a FACT"
It was a fact that it was said, but it's certainly open for interpretation. You may think that means the island is destroyed, but I could very well say, "Hey, maybe Hammond's only access is through Site B and not Site A." Or, that he thinks the dinosaurs did not survive on Site A, again, because of lysine. And it makes sense. He doesn't exactly know the what is going on of Isla Nublar, but the facility in Sorna was running long after the Nublar incident.
The dinosaurs, as he knows, are flourishing on Sorna. But he doesn't know about Nublar. See how you can interpret different things. Like I said before, it's all up to the writer of the script. Vague ideas become new ones.
At 12:06:59 PM on 7/6/2005, Carnotaur3 said:
You think the average movie goer that likes JP will say, "Hey wasn't the island destroyed?"
No, because it's not mentioned in the movies clearly, so therefore, it doesn't even matter.
At 12:05:45 PM on 7/6/2005, Carnotaur3 said:
They wouldn't care because they wouldn't know in the first place the possibility of the island being destroyed because that's so vague in the movie franchise. It could go either way man, there's no denying that, but either outcome is whatever the storyline goes from JP3. Whatever they want to come up with. Isla Nublar, I want it. Just returning to the place that started it all is enough to warrant a JP4.
At 10:47:06 AM on 7/6/2005, Ed Regis said:
I meant Nublar and NOT Sorna on the third line of my last post.
At 10:45:34 AM on 7/6/2005, Ed Regis said:
I was agreeing with mrprongs-not carnotaur3, lol the latter posted as I was writing my relpy to the former's. Yes, Carnotaur-they COULD go back and say anything they wanted, but read what I just posted previously. PLUS-Hammond stated that he kept it safe and secret in order to preserve it, therefore it is not illogical to think they would dismantle (organic and non organic) Nublar and Sorna-because no one who posed a danger of exposing it was on the island *Grand, Sattler, MALCOLM, etc* It was inevitable that Nublar be dealt with since there was no denying what happened there. And as far as your statements "why COULDN'T they just have dinos back on Nublar...no one would CARE, lol" maybe not---they'd just be even more confused than they already are. Isla Nublar, then Sorna, Sorna again, OOPS! we lied-Nublar's still got dinos-Nublar again...etc. Like Mrprongs said-they're not going to go changing what follows continuity, what doesn't, twist the story, add SUBPLOTS, which is what you just described-for the sake of a few small groups of fans. That's not the way FILMS are made. Rather-keep it simple for the films' audiences as a whole.
At 10:31:58 AM on 7/6/2005, Ed Regis said:
Here, Here. You must be one of the few adults who still frequent this site, 'Mrprongs' lol. I've been arguing that ridiculous shaving cream idea for probably two years. It's pure naivete for anyone to believe the studio gives a flying fig about a shaving cream can of dead embryos, that the MASSES (90 of the popcorn/ticket holders-who are not hard core fans) probably won't even remember, and that was given to Nedry by a throw away character (in the movie), played by an unknown actor, working for an un-named rival company (also in the movie-as the company was never named as being Biosyn), when the Nublar animals were supplemented by new LIVING dinosaurs on Isla Sorna (that being the subject of TWO sequels). These movies aren't made for Michael Crichton fans, but for today's audience (for whom the theatrical release of Jurassic park was over a DECADE ago). When Udesky said "you mean there're two islands with dinosaurs on them?" that was nothing more than a futile attempt at humor to show how confused HE was and also, by implication, *if you want to get THAT deep into it* PROBABLY the ignorant general public. Also as stated above, if Nublar still existed, why the heck did malcolm even care or act surprised when he heard Site B existed. PLUS-why did Hammond even SAY..."thank God for site B" if (contrary to the deleted scene)there were still dinosaurs on Nublar? It's not a speculation-it's a FACT (sad as it is)-there is nothing to go back to on Isla Nublar and the film makers would have no reason to if there was. Oh-and by the way-those of you (if there still are any) who think the actual shot of the shaving cream can getting burried was done to use foreshadowing, set something else up, or make some deep statement about the death and resurrection of the dinosaurs need to use some common sense (isn't that an oxymoron, eh?). That shot was done strictly to show the futility of Nedry's situation and the complete failure of his greedy mission.
At 10:07:17 AM on 7/6/2005, Carnotaur3 said:
If Nublar was destroyed it would have been illogical to leave Isla Sorna still intact.
Since there is still a mystery surrounding Isla Nublar's destruction, why can't ya make JP4 have dinosaurs on Nublar? Does it really matter? Like the freaking audience would care lol. The point is, anybody can make up something in the story to make it logical such as...
Hammond and Ingen covered up the disaster at Isla Nublar by claiming it was destroyed. There can be numerous reasons why. If you are to believe that this was done before TLW, if they could keep two islands from being known, InGen could start over one day back on Nublar, the facilities still there. And you can say they did not want anybody heading to the island to retrieve the DNA samples.
At 7:47:32 AM on 7/6/2005, mrprongs said:
Even with the cut and shown on FOX scene clearly saying Nublar's gone (and which all future writers are working off of), TLW made it crystal clear Sorna's it. Just watching TLW the other day, Malcolm says still alive, not more alive. Why? Still means he thought the dinos were dead. Not only some of them. If he knew dinos were alive on Nublar, he'd bring people in planes or copters to show them. People would believe him. Think how much popularity the guy or gal who helped Malcolm prove he's right would get. Malcolm ha the reaction to a man who was surprised dinos still lived 4 years later, not more dinos than ever before are still around.
Above all else, the whole point of TLW was that the dinos survived after all, on a second island, and had recreated their species' societies. It defeats the purpose to have dinos still on Nublar. Michael Crichton had to create Site B because he conclusively killed the dinos off of Nublar. Even with the minimalistic use of the book as a framework, the whole point was a second island was needed because the dinos were one. If anything, the lack of Lysine did them in. And no, there were not Lysine enrich plants on Nublar. That's the whole point. it was one in a gazillon chance that Sorna enabled the dinos to survive. Once again, it defeats the purpose of TLW to have dinos on Nublar.
Now, that doesn't mean in recent years, somebody else hasn't invaded Nublar and begun experimenting, mind you.
And just for the record, no, the shaving cream can of embryo's will not be used. It contains dead embryos that no one even knows to look for. Let alone check the mud in the Dilo paddock. And if some InGen worker did find it (cause there's no way Dodgson can send someone else in the time needed), they would never find the secret compartment, because they never looked.
Finally, a scene is cut for timing, pacing, length, etc. Almost never to change continuity around at the last second. Therefore, the cut scene still counts. Plus, most only want to go back to see a bunch of dilapidated buildings. Not going to happen. we see that enough on Sorna. Makes no sense to destroy continuity for aesthetic reasons to small groups of fans. Face facts. Nublar dinos are long dead. get over it and move on.
At 12:17:36 AM on 7/6/2005, raptor2000 said:
As much as I would love to see a return to Isla Nublar, I doubt it will happen for the sake of not creating too much conflict with the books and the movie (all though that didn't seem to stop them from screwing over TLW).
It just depends...they never said that Nublar was destroyed in the movies (the one scene in which they ever even referred to the demolition of Nublar was in TLW and ended up being cut anyway) and in JP3 it almost seems as if they were saying that both islands did still exist with dinosaurs on them, like when Udesky said "You mean there are two islands with dinosaurs?", and he used ARE instead of WERE. That could've just been bad writing (which with JP3, is a distinct possibility) or maybe they do consider Nublar's dinosaurs to still be in existance. I guess we will have to wait til JP4 (or JP5, 6, or when/if they get around to finally telling us what happened to Nublar) to put an end to this 12 year mystery.
At 8:06:50 AM on 7/5/2005, juniorx eternal said:
i agree with you carnotour3!!! we want isla nublar back!!!
At 5:00:51 AM on 7/5/2005, Aussie Embryo said:
Jimmy, you're a dumbass.
At 3:34:24 PM on 7/3/2005, Kick ass rex said:
you just grab the words out of my mouth, raptor2000. ;-)
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At 12:54:42 PM on 7/3/2005, raptor2000 said:
They've already broken the chain of having a JP movie released every 4 years.
But I personally have been waiting for some good JP4 news since....hmmm....the moment I walked out of the theater after seeing JP3.
Like I said though, I'm not believing any news unless it comes from an official source (especially not if it comes from AICN)
At 11:00:17 AM on 7/3/2005, Carnotaur3 said:
3 years... try four years.
At 5:24:48 AM on 7/3/2005, Kick ass rex said:
"BRI', the same guy who alerted DJP3P to the imminent AICN script review back in August."
Oh right, this sounds encouraging. *leaves DansJP3page for another 6 months*
just kidding of course. But I don't know if this will be the right news were we've been all hoping for for 3 years.
At 2:05:34 AM on 7/3/2005, Jimmy 345 said:
War of the Worlds I believe is Speilburgs best film since Saving Private Ryan. A.I was a piece of shit and Minority Report was pretty good War of the Worlds is great. War of the Worlds is a bleek dark and intense movie with the best effects. Speilburg obviously has gone a long way from the cute aliens of E.T. These aliens are mercilous. There is tons of suspense alongside huge wow shots. Still second to Independence Day as my favorite Alien invasion film. Despite me liking this one I think Hollywood has become a bit obbsessed with remakes. They need to learn to be more original.
At 12:34:30 AM on 7/3/2005, raptor2000 said:
If they had all three come out at the same time they would have all been competing at the box office and messing up how much each one earned. As it is, Speilberg and Lucas are already going head to head with Star Wars and War of the Worlds.
I hope both JP4 and Indy 4 are made well....Indy 4 I'm not really that worried since there hasn't really been a bad Indy movie yet (Young Indy movies don't count, most of those were crap). Granted Harrison Ford is kind of old, but I think Spielberg and Lucas and Ford are coming up with something that will be pretty interesting (in a good way). JP4 on the other hand, I am not so confident in.
At 10:06:40 PM on 7/2/2005, Jimmy 345 said:
Hope this isn't bullshit. Ain't it Cool news has got it wrong a few times hope they are write. Remember when Revenge of the Sith, Indiana Jones 4, and Jurassic Park 4 were going to come out in the same year. It never happened then would have rocked.
At 9:18:36 PM on 7/2/2005, JPFan14 said:
Excellent news! I really can't wait to hear this news, i'm sure it'll be something exciting for all the JP IV fans who have been waiting for some...well news. Hopefully the news does come out at the end of the summer or in the fall like it states.
At 7:06:58 AM on 7/2/2005, mrprongs said:
Ooh, is the new attarction one were we shoot the lameass script ideas? Ice Fall, JP: Dinos For Hire, let's film JP3 with half a script and no real end?
At 2:28:17 AM on 7/2/2005, raptor2000 said:
I don't think they should have stopped with the first one....there was already a second book out, and it was good (the book, not the movie). I think they were right to make a second movie, although they should have stuck closer to the book and just done a better job on it. A third movie on the other hand....well I don't have a problem with them making a third, but due to how the second one turned out, they should have put alot more time (for example, having Michael Crichton write or at least be involved in the writing of the script).
As for this news, I won't beleive it until it comes from an official source, especially not from someone we don't even know the real name of, but if we do end up getting a fourth Jurassic Park, I just hope they put alot more time and thought into it than they did the previous two sequels.
At 2:07:12 AM on 7/2/2005, Varan101 said:
It better not have to do with that craptacular script over at AICN.
At 11:58:13 PM on 7/1/2005, yvonne said:
I've heard that the Trike Encounter has been closed for a long, long time over at IOA, so they do need something more on the JP Island to keep people on it.
Anywho, I'm just happy that we might get some movie news in the foreseeable future. Thanks for the news update, Dan!
At 11:29:24 PM on 7/1/2005, Trainwreck said:
Let the series die with dignity, people! The first should have remained the ONLY!
At 9:04:29 PM on 7/1/2005, Carnotaur3 said:
I so thought that I wouldn't get in the mood again, but when I tried starting that Writer's Unite thing, ideas just soared. We need Isla Nublar back!
At 9:02:38 PM on 7/1/2005, TyrannoRex112 said:
As do I, C3. I'm really ready for another Jurassic Park film.
At 9:00:02 PM on 7/1/2005, Carnotaur3 said:
FIRST! How gay am I?
WHat awesome news. I hope we hear about it realllly soon!
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