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"Sean Penn on The Falklands..."
On 2/15/2012 at 6:08:00 AM, Evilgrinch started the thread:
What an asshole.
Msg #1: On 2/15/2012 at 5:21:00 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
Can you contextualize his comments a bit? I know about the original Falklands war but even after a bit of research I don't fully understand what Penn is even commenting on.
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Msg #2: On 2/16/2012 at 7:49:09 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #1, saying:
For the basics:
Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute
Penn being an ass:
Penn weighs in – The Guardian
Sean Penn Falklands dispute – Mailonline
Penn criticises deployment of Prince William – Daily Telegraph
The Falklands issue doesn’t seem to provoke anywhere near the same internal debate as comparable territorial disputes elsewhere as far as the British public are concerned. Press, public and the political scene are pretty much united - galvanised in no small way by the past actions of the Argentineans. The whole thing is being dredged up solely because it’s the 30th anniversary of the ’82 war. There’s nothing remotely colonialist about defending British territory, especially when it’s under sustained threat from the bizarre, propagandist rantings of the current Argentinean government.
The long and short of it is that we continue to wholly and completely support the Falklanders right to self-determination, and will defend (aggressively if necessary) British territory at home and abroad. Argentinean whining because the region is (potentially) rich in natural resources is beside the point. They’re living in fantasyland if they think we should be sharing oil revenues with them. You’d think there’d be a little more sensitivity for what happened last time they attempted to make a land-grab?
The Falklanders consider themselves British and wish to remain so. They have for almost two hundred years. End of story.
It’s all a bit of a storm in a teacup really. South American nations tend to side with the Argentineans with scant regard for the realities of the situation. Political expediency and nothing more. As for Penn, well, it’s just more shit stirring and mouthing-off from an annoying hypocrite who chooses to comment, quite ignorantly, on every fucking global issue regardless of his total lack of connection. Our government barely refuses to engage with the nutty Argentineans, let alone some jumped-up actor. You’d think he’d have a little more concern for his career in the UK than by so shamelessly trying to piss off our entire population.
Forgiving him for ’I Am Sam’ may take a little longer…
-Evilgrinch
Msg #3: On 2/16/2012 at 10:11:47 AM, Ostromite replied, saying:
He probably thinks the U.S. should give Puerto Rico to Cuba.
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Msg #4: On 2/16/2012 at 10:44:08 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #3, saying:
There're a couple of nice articles jabbing at that sort of mad logic:
Sean Penn should return his Malibu estate to the Mexicans
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Msg #5: On 2/16/2012 at 11:03:50 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #4, saying:
What's funny is that that actually makes more sense than the UK forfeiting control of the Falklands to Argentina.
Seriously, fuck Sean Penn. He's probably the only true "Hollywood liberal" in the sense that conservative radio pundits use the term: a sanctimonious left wing hypocrite with his head up his ass who uses his fame as a movie star to pull publicity stunts in Third World nations. He's worse than Bono, and Bono's a record-setting cunt.
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Msg #6: On 2/16/2012 at 12:28:31 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #5, saying:
Agreed. I'm no right-winger, but I see idiots like Penn doing some sort of political tour around South America and I sick-up slightly.
I just don't get why this fucking guy is spending his time pontificating on issues that don't concern him when he should be bolted up 16-hours a day on a film set. He seems to be suffering from the delusion that his artistic successes as an actor and director somehow merit an elevated status so far as his political opinons are concerned. It's unbelievably fucking annoying.
-EG
Msg #7: On 2/16/2012 at 2:55:11 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #5, saying:
There's no shortage of annoying Hollywood liberal retards. Off the top of m head, you have Julia Roberts, Barbra Streisand, Michael Moore, Danny Glover...
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Msg #8: On 2/16/2012 at 3:17:07 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #7, saying:
Well Michael Moore doesn't really count because he's not really "Hollywood." His entire career is based on independent propaganda films in the first place, so being a political dipshit is kind of his job. None of those others even come close to Sean Penn's publicity-mongering and self-righteousness, either.
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Msg #9: On 2/16/2012 at 4:21:47 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #8, saying:
Why the fuck is Penn even in Argentina?
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Msg #10: On 2/16/2012 at 6:32:06 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #9, saying:
Bravely defending the Americas from Anglo hegemony?
Well, Moore did direct Canadian Bacon, which is still a satire, I guess...whatevs. Sean Penn is still a douche; remember his Katrina stunt where he bravely attempted to rescue colored victims of the hurricane? Too bad his camera crew nearly caused his little boat to sink.
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Msg #11: On 2/17/2012 at 11:10:50 AM, Compy01 replied to Msg #10, saying:
Amen to that, brother. David Cameron was right, in this case it is the Argentinians who are the REAL imperialists.
EDIT: For some reason I clicked 'reply' to your comment TW, but I was just commenting on the thread in general :)
Msg #12: On 2/18/2012 at 11:40:30 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #9, saying:
I guess he was just stopping by while he was in the neighborhood visiting his buddy Hugo Chavez.
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Msg #13: On 2/23/2012 at 3:55:51 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #12, saying:
Penn fights back in The Guardian
And gets eaten alive in the comments section...
Msg #14: On 2/23/2012 at 4:22:45 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
He's even more deluded than I thought. He acknowledges that the Falkland residents are "resolutely British subjects" and that the 1982 invasion was "ludicrous," but yet he still says that the islands are "disputed."
Even the seemingly benign notion that the UK simply enter diplomatic talks is laughable. There is literally nothing to discuss: Argentina just wants the Falklands' natural resources but has no historical, ethnic, or political claim to it.
Msg #15: On 2/23/2012 at 6:02:33 PM, Trainwreck replied, saying:
It sure is refreshing when even liberals recognize that majority-white, former imperial powers aren't always wrong in disputes with non-white countries.
Msg #16: On 2/23/2012 at 6:52:55 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
Argentina is pretty fucking white.
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Msg #17: On 2/23/2012 at 8:52:03 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #16, saying:
False. Latin countries are never considered white, no matter how pale the majority of its population's skin really is.
Msg #18: On 2/23/2012 at 11:25:06 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
Looking at their ethnography, even taking into account the South American tendency to white-wash statistics through carefully worded census questions, I'm pretty sure Argentina is almost as white as the UK.
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Msg #19: On 2/23/2012 at 11:56:33 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #18, saying:
And I'm not debating the whiteness of their skin. I've known Argentinians who were also very white skinned. It doesn't change the general perception of white-skinned Latin Americans as being distinctly non-white.
Hell, they're even placed in a different racial category for most things, even if it should only be a different ethnic category. This is why I check the box "Non-Hispanic White".
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Msg #20: On 2/23/2012 at 11:58:09 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #19, saying:
Speaking Spanish isn't very white, now is it?
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Msg #21: On 2/24/2012 at 6:33:00 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #20, saying:
According to most people? No. No, it isn't.
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