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    On 11/28/2014 at 10:27:52 AM, PaulSF started the thread:
    This seems like a pretty good way to start a thread that loads nicely.



    Fuckest of me.


    Msg #1: On 11/28/2014 at 10:57:03 AM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    Not nearly the feeling of "OH SHIT!" that the EP. 1 trailer left me with, but awesome nonetheless. Love the R.. what, probably R7 unit? The soccerball R2.

        Replies: 2
    Msg #2: On 11/28/2014 at 11:00:27 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #1, saying:
    Consider me truly 'teased'. Very happy. Nice practical look, actual location work etc.

    Next trailer on Avengers?



    Msg #3: On 11/28/2014 at 11:04:08 AM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    Thank god for a return to practical. Attack of the Clones and much of Revenge of the Sith have and will continue to age just absolutely terribly. The turn has already started but I fully suspect that in 20 years time Episode 1 will be the best thought of prequel simply because of this.

        Replies: 4
    Msg #4: On 11/28/2014 at 11:48:21 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #3, saying:
    I feel the same way. TPM is my favourite of the prequels. Celluloid, location shoots, sets...for all its flaws it feels tactile in a way 2&3 don't. Nice to see JJ gets that element. Last thing anyone wants is another two hours of relentless greenscreen backdrops.


    Msg #5: On 11/28/2014 at 11:48:43 AM, Mr. Chaos replied, saying:
    I am such a nerd that the thing I focus on is the raw, fiery lightsaber. Instantly makes me wonder if this is an evolution of the saber... or is this someone who tried to replica one and this was their best but not quite right result.


    Msg #6: On 11/28/2014 at 12:04:39 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    It looks good, and by that I mean literally its visuals. Like Grinch said, it has a real life texture to it that the prequels didn't. I liked the dumb little soccer ball droid, but I don't get that weird red lightsaber. What's the point of those little things sticking out the side?

        Replies: 9
    Msg #7: On 11/28/2014 at 12:20:33 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    While the functionality in reality might be up for some wtf type questions, I have no doubt they will use the new saber in some badass way and everyone will be like OHHHHH SNAP THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THOSE LITTLE THINGS!

    Personally I think it would be neat if it is used for some stealth action- ie cutting into something quickly and quietly like a mini concentrated blowtorch, or for an assassination in public without anyone realizing "OH SHIT SOME GUY WITH A LIGHTSABER!!!11".. or perhaps the smaller blades can be extended further without anyone knowing, so in a duel something thinks they know what they're fighting against, and then when they get in one of those classic "we're clashing our sabers together close to our face angrily" BAM out pops one of the side sabers into full length and just zooms right through some would be hero's face.

    Sith are supposed to fight dirty so these are the kind of things I expect. If it's not used at all and is just to look badass, well, shame on you movie makers.


        Replies: 8
    Msg #8: On 11/28/2014 at 3:13:34 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #7, saying:
    It's like a big broadsword. I reckon he'll have a style that heaves about the thing like it has a fair bit of weight and reach. Hopefully fight scenes will be a little slower and less acrobatic than the PT.

    + Gotta sell a lot of toys to justify $4bill acquisition



    Msg #9: On 11/28/2014 at 4:13:17 PM, Grizzle replied to Msg #6, saying:
    Lightsaber claymore. I love it.

    JW and SW trailers in one week? I feel like a kid again.


        Replies: 10
    Msg #10: On 11/28/2014 at 5:04:11 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #9, saying:
    Hoping the next trailer shows some of the big Chewbacca lightsaber battle we've all been waiting for.

        Replies: 12

    Msg #11: On 11/28/2014 at 5:14:16 PM, Trainwreck replied, saying:
    There was more legit SW in this 1:30 trailer than the entire Prequel Trilogy. So glad Lucas' fat fingers were off of this project.


    Msg #12: On 11/28/2014 at 6:35:37 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #10, saying:
    Why would Chewbacca use a lightsaber?

        Replies: 13
    Msg #13: On 11/28/2014 at 6:59:53 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #12, saying:
    Because the force is strong with him.


    Msg #14: On 11/28/2014 at 7:04:38 PM, Bryan replied, saying:
    It's nice to see practical filmmaking in a Star Wars movie again. That being said, after the one-two punch that was the Avengers 2 trailer and the Jurassic World trailer, I feel a Little let down by the flatness and the emphasis on visuals rather than building a premise. it does seem like they are relying on the brand to get people excited rather then whatever the story is going to be. and that's fine in a teaser. But after all that buildup, I was expecting more. But hey, it looks way better than the prequels.


    Msg #15: On 11/28/2014 at 8:09:33 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    LOL


    Msg #16: On 11/28/2014 at 9:58:13 PM, Trainwreck replied, saying:
    The cross-guard on the saber is ridiculously stupid, but this is also a space opera fantasy series, not science fiction. It's not even soft sci-fi like Star Trek, which gets a huge pass on a lot of ridiculous bullshit. Still, that link you posted is funny and exposes how little thought went into this particular design.

    I'd question the maneuvers that the Millennium Falcon made in that low-level dogfight, but again, it's fantasy. It looks like a hell of a good time, so mission accomplished. For fuck's sake, if I can watch the latest Hunger Games (lol, I know) today and not freak out when Jennifer Lawrence takes out some attack aircraft on a strafing run with a fucking arrow (for you, Vinny), I think I can live with silly lightsaber designs and nonsensical spacecraft maneuvers.



    Msg #17: On 11/28/2014 at 10:07:34 PM, Narrator replied, saying:
    1 yes it is space fantasy like TW said, Light sabers are magical space swords, but also, the cross guard makes it a lot easier to stop your hand getting cut off from another persons saber but then again, makes it a lot easier to mess yourself up with it. But jedi and sith are magical anyway, plus it looks cool

    as for the falcons movements... well its a giant brick, and has no business flying anyway. pretty much none of the ships do, they just explain it away with repulser lifts or something, a magic plot device that pretty much lets the ship do anything cool they'd like

    Also, is that Benedict cumberbatch narrating?


        Replies: 18
    Msg #18: On 11/28/2014 at 10:16:54 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #17, saying:
    Well if you look at the link Ostro shared, you'll see why the design makes absolutely no sense. The guards would be quickly sheared off by an attacking saber, and so their sole "benefit" would be to pose a serious risk to the wielder.

        Replies: 19
    Msg #19: On 11/29/2014 at 3:12:10 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #18, saying:
    yeah, they would but you never know, the shafts could be vibro blade like material. It's, of course, silly, but what I really like about it is it gives Star Wars a big fantasy feel, the kind that I get when playing Knights of the old republic and lookng at the original poster. though that one designed by the tumblr guy, with the cross guard angled up is actually way cooler. But you can only get so much.

    Also did anyone else think that the storm trooper at the beginning was Kevin Hart?



    Msg #20: On 11/29/2014 at 9:28:24 AM, raptor2000 replied, saying:
    I will be honest, when I started watching this thing for the first time, I thought it was just another (albeit well funded) fake fan made trailer until I saw the shots of the X-Wing's and the Millennium Falcon, but I think that is just because we have become so smothered by the over abundance of CGI used in the prequels and most modern day sci-fi and other big-budget movies that we just are not used to the more classic realistic look anymore that JJ is going for here. I mean, I'll be honest, I really was not blown away by this teaser as it shows practically nothing that makes sense, but honestly that's what a teaser is supposed to be for...to get you talking, to get the imagination flowing, and to get the excitement building. I'm glad there is still a filmmaker in the business who doesn't want to give much away before the actual movie comes out, even if I do think that JJ takes it a little overboard. At least the movie will be as fresh as possible come next December.

    I can only imagine, though, that JJ's penchant for absolute secrecy up until the actual release date is really going to clash with Disney's policy of flooding the airways and beating you over the head with advertising to promote the thing, especially as the actual release date gets nearer and nearer. I'm wondering if that may have even had something to do with him not even being considered or apparently even wanting a shot at doing another movie later on in the series. I dunno...it's definitely going to be interesting over the next year to see whose style of advertising and promotion wins out...JJ's or Disney's.


        Replies: 21
    Msg #21: On 11/29/2014 at 9:47:09 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #20, saying:
    Hopefully Disneys because the incessant denial about Cumberbatch's identity in Into Darkness was even more irritating than the reveal itself. Abrams has never had a commercial hit whereas Disney are the masters of knowing how to sell their shit.

        Replies: 22
    Msg #22: On 11/29/2014 at 12:34:34 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #21, saying:
    "Abrams has never had a commercial hit "

    What parallel universe did you just jump from?


        Replies: 23
    Msg #23: On 11/29/2014 at 6:59:13 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #22, saying:
    Review the global performance of his four films and prove me wrong.

    * With the possible exception of sleeper-hit Super 8.


        Replies: 25, 26
    Msg #24: On 11/29/2014 at 7:45:41 PM, Grizzle replied, saying:
    Gwendoline Christie pretty much confirmed to be allied with the Sith.




    Msg #25: On 11/29/2014 at 9:24:46 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #23, saying:
    Again, what parallel universe are you from?

    Super 8 is his worst performing film.

    I'm seriously just utterly dumbfounded by your posts right now.



    Msg #26: On 11/29/2014 at 10:56:03 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #23, saying:
    Mission: Impossible III
    Budget: $150 million U.S.
    Worldwide Gross: $398 million U.S.
    Profit Margin: 62%

    Star Trek
    Budget: $150 million U.S.
    Worldwide Gross: $386 million U.S.
    Profit Margin: 61%

    Super 8
    Budget: $50 million U.S.
    Worldwide Gross: $260 million U.S.
    Profit Margin: 81%

    Star Trek Into Darkness
    Budget: $150 million U.S.
    Worldwide Gross: $467 million U.S.
    Profit Margin: 68%

    Literally every one of his films has been a commercial hit.


        Replies: 28
    Msg #27: On 11/29/2014 at 11:09:27 PM, RaptorHiss replied, saying:
    That first shot of the storm trooper popping up scared the poop out of me. I thought the X-Fighters looked pretty badass and overall I dug the vibe. I'm not 100% sure I like the Sith lightsaber, just because it seems like every film has to come up with some new obligatory lightsaber gimmick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original trilogy didn't every really do anything like that, except for introducing new colors. I'm more excited about the idea that the next movie will have a different director and that I can look forward to a new look then as well. Knowing that the film doesn't come out for more than a year, I'm willing to ride this thing out until then.


    Msg #28: On 11/29/2014 at 11:20:37 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #26, saying:
    Yeah I thought he might be talking about profit, and to be fair a movie does not receive 100% of revenue.

    But regardless, profit margin does not determine what a commercial hit is anyway. You can make a movie for a billion dollars and if it pulls 1 billion in box office it's still a HIT.

    And 400 million is a hit.


        Replies: 35
    Msg #29: On 11/30/2014 at 12:00:15 AM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying:
    Oh and he created Lost which was one of the biggest TV dramas in decades.


    Msg #30: On 11/30/2014 at 12:10:07 AM, RaptorHiss replied, saying:
    As someone pointed out, there actually aren't any shots of space at any point in this Star Wars trailer.

        Replies: 31
    Msg #31: On 11/30/2014 at 12:15:50 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #30, saying:
    ...so?


    Msg #32: On 11/30/2014 at 12:22:00 AM, RaptorHiss replied, saying:
    I just thought it was mildly interesting to point out. They made a decision not to show any space shots and I'm happy that they didn't reveal too much in this first trailer (unlike Jurassic World). There is a certain small irony that it's a space opera and we didn't see any space.

        Replies: 33
    Msg #33: On 11/30/2014 at 12:24:10 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #32, saying:
    Paul just made a good point to me that it's probably because all space shots involve completely visual effects which aren't being done much at this point.


    Msg #34: On 11/30/2014 at 12:41:38 AM, RaptorHiss replied, saying:
    Even better point ;)


    Msg #35: On 11/30/2014 at 1:08:37 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #28, saying:
    I was just pointing out that his movies have all grossed at least 250 million dollars and turned a large profit, so they're hits no matter how you look at it.

        Replies: 36
    Msg #36: On 11/30/2014 at 10:04:45 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #35, saying:
    I stand by my argument re – Abrams. Bare in mind this is a fairly pointless exercise and I’m not making a backhanded comment on his abilities as a filmmaker (though I make no secret of my dislike for the second Trek film), or his success as a producer of television programmes, but run the published numbers on his four features and I’m confident my views hold weight. The guy has, until Star Wars, never really had what I’d consider a commercial success.

    Mission Impossible 3

    The lowest grossing MI film both domestically and internationally despite having the highest budget. Under $400m WW against (reported) $150m. Cruise grabs 10-20% gross profit points and no chance Paramount made any money on this after marketing. They took a big hit. Maybe DVD steadied things out, but only Cruise’s renegotiated (Ie – lower) contract on Ghost Protocol and the agreement to bring on Renner got a greenlight for that film. Luckily they smashed it in 2011 and the franchise has a secure future, no thanks to MI3.

    Star Trek

    Great reviews, merchandise and franchise growth potential (See Batman Begins for the same situation) got this one through. Truly atrocious international numbers though saved by a solid domestic take. Taken as a singular entity ($385mWW on reported $150m) they’ll have only just crawled into the black after the theatre split and marketing costs.

    Super 8

    Okay, I’ll give you this one. A nice sleeper. Assuming that budget is correct, return on capital employed is decent with a tidy $260ww. No monster hit, but tidy business. Studios need to make more of these mid-budget pictures.

    Star Trek Into Darkness

    Domestic take down? Budget ballooning to almost $200m? Trust me, Paramount spit blood after this wound up its release. Second film on the reputation of the first is where you make that push into the $600-800m range. Look at the sequel growth for other reboots of a similar ilk and try and tell me they were happy with this? For a major summer blockbuster in that budgetary category to only be the fourteenth biggest seller of the year despite a momentous, costly PR push, this was a loser for the studio. Massive underperformer didn’t even break $500m worldwide. Expect Orci’s third film to have a lighter tone, more restrictive budget and a shooting schedule somewhere tax-credit friendly, probably with a couple of Chinese crew members floating about before the franchise heads back to television in 2019/2020.

    Star Wars: The Force Awakens

    Guaranteed $1.5bill worldwide and gives Abrams Nolan-levels of flexibility for his next movie. Literally. Cannot. Fail.


        Replies: 37
    Msg #37: On 11/30/2014 at 10:49:54 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #36, saying:
    I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, Grinch, but I don't see how $467 million international gross isn't a hit. All I can think is that your standard of a hit is thrown out of whack by the ridiculous box office draws of colossal superhero movies and Michael Bay films. "Massive underperformer didn't even break $500 million worldwide"? Man, what a bummer, they barely cleared three hundred million dollars in profit. Ten years ago, that would have been a huge film; in fact, it's the highest grossing Star Trek film ever made. You can't let the expanding bubble of mega-blockbusters like The Avengers warp your senses here. From a studio perspective, Abrams is a reliable hit-maker.

        Replies: 38
    Msg #38: On 11/30/2014 at 12:15:15 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #37, saying:
    There's no $300 million profit. Don't forget the theatre split & marketing. They barely broke even, if at all. Studios need monster hits to underwrite the losses they take on 75% of their product. A big franchise sequel like STID only scraping $467mWW = a financial underperformer/potential lossmaker. Throw in the inevitable g.p points Abrams & the key bad robot players will have agreed for film2 and I'd bet my right testicle Paramount lost money on the theatrical release. TV syndication, homevideo & toys will have pulled it up, but it's no hit by any standard.

        Replies: 40
    Msg #39: On 11/30/2014 at 12:43:36 PM, PunkNerd replied, saying:
    Do you people even beskar?


    And for that matter I like the idea that the smaller blades aren't for function, but are exhaust ports of a sort. It's obviously not a blade of great stability, and perhaps the blade has an excess of power (or something) and needs the two smaller blades to keep it from like, being twenty feet long. I dunno.



    Msg #40: On 11/30/2014 at 12:46:14 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #38, saying:
    Except you don't know the financial details of the splits and marketing.

    For example, I guarantee Star Trek and MI3 had a higher percentage of revenue because studios always take a bigger cut in the first couple weeks of big franchise releases. Super 8 probably took a smaller cut and it also made more of its money throughout its run past week 2.

    I also guarantee you that studios think Abrams is a hitmaker. Because they keep handing him more money and big franchises.

    You're also forgetting about tax breaks that studios take. And you also hugely discount DVD sales:

    http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Trek-XI#tab=video-sales

    If this data is accurate, it pulled 200 million in video sales in the US alone, and I'm guessing the studio took about 50% of that. Tack on another 100 million.

    I mean, kudos to you, you understand the financial system better than Ostromite, but none of us truly knows how much a movie really makes, and in all of Abrams movies, it's too close to call, but based on studios continuously handing him big budgets, I would argue that he's pretty profitable.

    I also think PURE REVENUE and brand building is important. JJ Abrams made Star Trek relevant to millions of people who previously had no interest in it. There is a large value in that. I think Star Trek is a bigger hit than a movie that cost a million to make and made 2 million at the box office, but by your logic that isn't the case.


        Replies: 41
    Msg #41: On 11/30/2014 at 12:57:07 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #40, saying:
    'I also think PURE REVENUE and brand building is important. JJ Abrams made Star Trek relevant to millions of people who previously had no interest in it. There is a large value in that. I think Star Trek is a bigger hit than a movie that cost a million to make and made 2 million at the box office, but by your logic that isn't the case.

    Good post. On this I totally agree. They might not be commercial dynamite as individual pictures but Abrams has made the franchise relevant again with good future growth opportunities. Shifting over to SW with its limitless b.o potential is not just a smart career move for him but only possible due to goodwill toward his work on Trek and a mastery of the sorts of artistic qualities SW requires to start shuffling up toward those Avatar numbers.



    Msg #42: On 11/30/2014 at 4:46:15 PM, Cameron replied, saying:
    I like the new lightsaber. I think the side blades are either to add a little something to in close combat, ie quick jabs or something.

    Or, given that the lightsaber looks more crude and not quite right, if it really is a replication not quite right, they could even be mini exhaust ports or something


        Replies: 46
    Msg #43: On 11/30/2014 at 7:49:43 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    Re Disney being the masters of making a hit, I present John Carter as exhibit A for discussion.

        Replies: 44
    Msg #44: On 11/30/2014 at 9:45:21 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #43, saying:
    JJ Abrams track record = 100%

    Disney with John Carter 99%

    Checkmate Grinch!



    Msg #45: On 12/1/2014 at 2:19:45 PM, Colin replied, saying:
    On average, a film starts making a profit once it has doubled its budget.

    That being said, this is Star Wars. You could get Lars Von Trier to direct it and it would still make a billion worldwide. The movie would probably just focus exclusively on the incestuous relationship between Luke and Leia, and work Jabba in there somehow.



    Msg #46: On 12/2/2014 at 1:19:16 PM, Mr. Chaos replied to Msg #42, saying:
    Someone posted on another forum that there is a rumor that the bad guys in this one will be Ancient Sith Lords that have been in stasis. If that's the case, I could see this lightsaber being a prototype saber, which would explain the fiery blade and the strange hilt.


    Msg #47: On 12/2/2014 at 7:58:32 PM, RaptorHiss replied, saying:
    Stephen Colbert weighs in on the new lightsaber design

        Replies: 48, 49
    Msg #48: On 12/2/2014 at 8:26:30 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #47, saying:
    If that's true, then it would essentially be the first technological advancement other than the Death Star ever shown in a Star Wars movie.


    Msg #49: On 12/3/2014 at 10:04:58 PM, spinorextor replied to Msg #47, saying:
    Oh FFS. I live in Australia...not on the fucking moon...

    Why the hell is this vid isolated to US only!?

    Yankey Bastards.


        Replies: 50
    Msg #50: On 12/4/2014 at 7:29:48 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #49, saying:
    Get a VPN and quit bitching, brush.


    Msg #51: On 12/4/2014 at 10:03:05 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    I found this teaser to be pretty exciting.

    After the uninspiring dullness of the prequels, Star Wars getting back to basics with conflict and new characters mixed with old is a breath of fresh air.



    Msg #52: On 12/19/2014 at 9:04:36 PM, Bryan replied, saying:
    As if there was any question this was going to happen, we have unofficial confirmation that the unaltered OT will be released on Blu-Ray in the near future.

    http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/16/exclusive-original-unaltered-cut-of-star-wars-trilogy-to-be-rele/


        Replies: 53
    Msg #53: On 12/19/2014 at 9:06:04 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #52, saying:
    LOL

        Replies: 54
    Msg #54: On 12/20/2014 at 6:50:46 AM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #53, saying:
    YES!!!!


    Msg #55: On 2/16/2015 at 9:04:38 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Shooting leaks





    Msg #56: On 2/16/2015 at 4:18:35 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    And where exactly did you find these?

        Replies: 57
    Msg #57: On 2/16/2015 at 4:28:40 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #56, saying:
    Tumblr - not sure where they found em.


    Msg #58: On 2/16/2015 at 4:37:35 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    I'm kind of thinking... fake.

        Replies: 59
    Msg #59: On 2/16/2015 at 4:46:07 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #58, saying:
    What is fake-looking about them? Sure, it would be easy to fake, and I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they were (Star Wars fans being some of the craziest fan groups out there when it comes to this kind of thing), but nothing about them looks fake or wrong.

    It's so weird to live in an age when entire motion pictures and rap albums get leaked online before their release and everyone still thinks little images of some guy's costume or a location shoot are fake if it didn't come from an official source. The studios want this stuff to leak. Give the internet a spoiler-free nugget like some low quality images of Luke in a cave - face concealed, obviously - and the internet will do a bunch of marketing for you for free. People feel like they're doing something naughty, which gets them excited, and they spread it all around and feel like they're participating in the build-up to the film's release, like they're somehow on the "inside" of it and a part of the movie itself. You couldn't ask for a better set-up as a marketer.



    Msg #60: On 2/16/2015 at 7:31:36 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    The last pic really made me question it. Luke's face hidden (cause it ain't Mark Hamill under that hood), a big spot light on him. It's a bit funky. I could eat my own words, sure. It doesn't matter. The film is gonna be released and make bank.

        Replies: 61
    Msg #61: On 2/16/2015 at 8:17:08 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #60, saying:
    Out of curiosity, why couldn't it be Mark Hamill? All we see is the bottom of a beard under the hood, and Hamill's been known to sport one.

    Plus, that looks a lot like the actual shoot location in Ireland - so either fans in Ireland did some cool stuff, ooorrrrr..



    Msg #62: On 4/16/2015 at 6:41:31 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    *continues as sole contributor in this thread besides OP*


















    Msg #63: On 4/16/2015 at 6:42:53 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:


        Replies: 64
    Msg #64: On 4/16/2015 at 6:53:05 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #63, saying:
    I was literally just about to post that but you beat me to it. <3


    Edit: aaaand that's a really, really pleasing trailer.



    Msg #65: On 4/16/2015 at 6:59:19 PM, PaulSF replied, saying:
    Tears.


    Msg #66: On 4/16/2015 at 9:30:21 PM, Bryan replied, saying:
    I can't even.


    Msg #67: On 4/17/2015 at 2:26:19 AM, JPwonderboy replied, saying:
    God bless J.J. Abrams.


    Msg #68: On 4/17/2015 at 5:38:48 AM, Reddog2002 replied, saying:
    This will be better then the CGI heavy prequels.

        Replies: 72
    Msg #69: On 4/17/2015 at 5:59:18 AM, Coprolite replied, saying:
    Beautiful. I was getting goosebumps all day thinking about this trailer.


    Msg #70: On 4/17/2015 at 12:52:45 PM, IKK_Viper replied, saying:
    Legit?

    http://www.digitiser2000.com/main-page/star-wars-the-force-awakens-exclusive-script-extract



    Msg #71: On 4/17/2015 at 2:36:22 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    BRETTY GUD


    Msg #72: On 4/17/2015 at 8:36:20 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #68, saying:
    LMAO no shit.

        Replies: 73
    Msg #73: On 4/17/2015 at 9:03:58 PM, Evilgrinch replied to Msg #72, saying:
    Two minutes washes away the pain.
    Watched this thing about 30 times already. It's the film we should've got in '99. Great, euphoric trailer.



    Msg #74: On 4/18/2015 at 2:30:25 AM, Bryan replied, saying:
    Abrams may have ruined Star Trek for Trekkies but I don't think he's gonna ruin Star Wars for anyone. Our expectations are so low from the prequels that even if he half-asses it or bloats the shit out of it, at least we'll have the original cast and practical effects to love.


    Msg #75: On 4/20/2015 at 12:51:08 AM, raptor2000 replied, saying:
    So a teaser for Edwards' Rogue One was also shown this weekend. Check it out while you can.

        Replies: 76
    Msg #76: On 4/20/2015 at 1:07:04 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #75, saying:
    That's a good teaser, and a pretty neat idea for a movie. From what I read, it's set between ROTS and ANH, with the plot focusing on the group of rebels who initially stole the Death Star plans & delivered them to Princess Leia.

        Replies: 77
    Msg #77: On 4/20/2015 at 1:30:28 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #76, saying:
    But....Kyle Katarn did that. O_o

    But seriously, yes I think this movie sounds pretty awesome and I am so much more excited about something like this then I was about a Han Solo, Boba Fett, Yoda, or Obi-wan centered prequel story. From the moment they announced the spinoff movies I hoped they'd be about new characters, or at least characters that were not main characters in any of the other movies, so this story combined with Gareth Edwards at the helm has me pretty stoked.

    Initially the idea of annual Star Wars movies seemed way overkill to me, but if they keep the spinoffs separate in time and characters, I think this is going to work.

    It will be interesting, though, to see how they portray Rogue Squadron without Luke or Wedge, as I'm pretty sure in the previous canon the two of them created that flight group shortly after the battle of Yavin.


        Replies: 86
    Msg #78: On 4/20/2015 at 2:15:23 AM, Bryan replied, saying:
    Old canon is old. That being said, if Kyle Katarn is named as a character in this movie, I'll bust a nut.


    Msg #79: On 4/20/2015 at 2:33:56 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Slightly off-topic but is Shadows of the Empire considered EU?


    Msg #80: On 4/20/2015 at 2:57:49 AM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    Yeah, I believe so. Although it would be awesome for the Fett movie to be his trying to get solo to jabba via shadows.

        Replies: 81
    Msg #81: On 4/20/2015 at 3:06:08 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #80, saying:
    That would be really cool. *_*


    Msg #82: On 4/20/2015 at 4:33:15 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:


    Season 2 of Rebels looks really good as well, and it looks like they're finally bringing back Ahsoka. Is Rebels any good?


        Replies: 83
    Msg #83: On 4/20/2015 at 10:35:53 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #82, saying:
    I only have watched the first 3-4 episodes and to be honest, I really didn't care for it. Just felt bland and by the numbers to me. That said, I've heard it picks up towards the end and the trailers for season 2 do look good so I'll give it another shot eventually.

        Replies: 84
    Msg #84: On 4/20/2015 at 6:54:30 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #83, saying:
    To be honest, Clone Wars was a little rocky with its first movie + season as well. Once it finally got its footing, it was phenomenal.

        Replies: 85
    Msg #85: On 4/21/2015 at 2:03:41 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #84, saying:
    I have always said that if they had just left the first few episodes of the TV show as episodes instead of trying to half assed turn them into a movie at the last minute, it would've been a lot more acceptable. As a TV show, it was perfectly serviceable, but especially early on, the quality was just not there for a theatrical film.

    Like you said, though, Clone Wars got a lot better once it really found its own identity and started taking itself a little bit more seriously, and the latter seasons are up there with the best Star Wars material ( though I still haven't had a chance to watch the final "Lost Episodes" season). Rebels, though..., I don't know, none of the characters have intrigued me yet, and the plots just kind of generic and childish. I also was reading the new EU relaunch book, A New Dawn, which also ties directly into Rebels, and so far it is in and so far it is infinitely more interesting than anything I've seen in the show so far. Like I said though, I'm going to give it another shot sooner or later. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood for it at the time.



    Msg #86: On 4/21/2015 at 7:00:27 AM, Grizzle replied to Msg #77, saying:
    Kyle Katarn is no longer canon. ;_;

    Though maybe, just maybe, I will get to see Admiral Daala at the command of a fleet of Star destroyers wrecking the Alliance's shit in a future movie.


        Replies: 87
    Msg #87: On 4/21/2015 at 11:11:53 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #86, saying:
    Hence, why I said "but seriously" in the very next sentence.

    Honestly, even in the previous EU I think there were several different explanations for how the Death Star plans got stolen, with Kyle Katarn only being one of them, so I'm fine with them finally having one official bona fide explanation as to how the plans were stolen.


        Replies: 88
    Msg #88: On 4/22/2015 at 12:03:17 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #87, saying:
    I wonder what Jaquelin will think of Jurassic World


    Msg #89: On 4/22/2015 at 3:54:49 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    Well, one thing I love about this movie already is that the little soccer ball droid, BB-8, is apparently a real robot Abrams had built so he wouldn't have to use CGI whenever it's on screen.


    Msg #90: On 5/4/2015 at 2:45:55 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Annie Leibovitz photoshoot for Vanity Fair.










    What a beautiful display of practical effects. Interesting that Lupita Nyong'o's character is motion capture.


        Replies: 91
    Msg #91: On 5/4/2015 at 2:53:42 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #90, saying:
    The Vanity Fair article includes a fair amount of spoilers btw, if the photos are any indication. :3


    Msg #92: On 5/4/2015 at 2:56:12 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Theory time.

    Rey lives on Jakka, and is one of the first force-sensitive babies born in a really long time. Han & Chewie are on Jakka, a chance meeting occurs, and the 3 of them fly off to find Luke.

    The Empire (First Order?) knows of Jakka and tries to stop them at any cost.



    Msg #93: On 5/4/2015 at 5:13:48 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    It's Jakku though, not Jakka.


    Msg #94: On 5/4/2015 at 5:23:46 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    LMAO at Disney for casting one of the most gorgeous black women in show business for their giant blockbuster just to have her play a motion-capture cartoon character.

        Replies: 97, 100
    Msg #95: On 5/4/2015 at 5:28:57 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    You act like James Cameron didn't think of it first.

    I laugh out loud when I see people up in arms over Star Wars not casting minorities when they only mean black people.



    Msg #96: On 5/4/2015 at 6:31:40 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    LMAO at white ostro for taking part in the race war being perpetuated by fucking morons.


    Msg #97: On 5/4/2015 at 6:36:19 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #94, saying:
    LMAO at Disney for casting one of the most gorgeous and famously recognizable leading white men in show business for their giant blockbuster just to have him play a motion-capture cartoon character.



    Hey, maybe you're right, this is kinda fun.



    Msg #98: On 5/4/2015 at 6:41:28 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    LMAO at George Lucas for casting one of the tallest white men in show business for his movie just to have him play a walking carpet.




    Msg #99: On 5/4/2015 at 6:45:18 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    President Obama Doesn't Care About White People!

        Replies: 101
    Msg #100: On 5/4/2015 at 6:45:33 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #94, saying:
    LMAO at George Lucas for casting ANOTHER one of the tallest white men in show business for his blockbuster just to have him play a totally masked character THAT THEN GETS DUBBED OVER BY A BLACK MAN. WHAT THE FUCK RACISM. WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST TALL PEOPLE GEORGE?!




    Msg #101: On 5/4/2015 at 6:47:11 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #99, saying:
    FUTURE PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MEN!


    Msg #102: On 5/4/2015 at 6:56:58 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Rez, I had to look up that chick you posted above. She's for real? Jesus.

        Replies: 103
    Msg #103: On 5/4/2015 at 7:02:54 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #102, saying:
    Sadly yes. This is the actual world we live in right now.


    Msg #104: On 5/4/2015 at 7:17:40 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    "Wah wah, someone said a bad thing about white people! Wah!"

        Replies: 106, 109, 113
    Msg #105: On 5/4/2015 at 7:19:46 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:


    Gwendoline Christie confirmed as badass Captain Phasma. now stay on topic.


        Replies: 107
    Msg #106: On 5/4/2015 at 7:22:06 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #104, saying:
    White, black, I don't care, what I really hate are faggots.

        Replies: 108
    Msg #107: On 5/4/2015 at 7:23:44 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #105, saying:
    I love this character design so much. Already seems poised to be the Fett of this movie.


    Msg #108: On 5/4/2015 at 7:26:50 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #106, saying:
    Hate leads to the Dark Side, Rez. Come to the light. You'll like it here.


    Msg #109: On 5/4/2015 at 7:37:27 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #104, saying:
    You gonna make me watch my "White Privilege"?


        Replies: 110
    Msg #110: On 5/4/2015 at 9:50:42 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #109, saying:
    Nah. It's already over your head ;) COME ON, you guys. We can debate social justice/social issues in a different thread. I WANNA KEEP THE HYPE TRAIN CHUGGIN, CHOO CHOO


    Msg #111: On 5/4/2015 at 10:53:35 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    Holy shit, Rez, have you really gone off the deep end and turned into one of these crybaby racist meninist dipshits or is it some kind of low-functioning Andy Kaufman schtick? Talk about someone getting "triggered," every time I so much as mention feminism or race you jump in like a circus clown with this Reddit rage.

    My point is that Lupita Nyong'o's main appeal and her strongest asset as a performer is that she is stunningly beautiful, but they're just sticking little balls on her facing and jamming her in a motion-capture helmet. It's like casting James Woods as a mute or Jet Li as a cripple in a wheelchair.


        Replies: 112, 124, 144
    Msg #112: On 5/4/2015 at 11:45:39 PM, Narrator replied to Msg #111, saying:
    I don't care about this at all.

    But what you just said is that her only worth as an actress is her physical beauty, and casting her in a role that doesn't highlight and focus on that rather than any actual acting ability, and implying it's racist.

    In order to be upset about any racism going on here, you have to be sexist. Whoever she is, physical beauty comes second to everything else.

    Also, she aint that hot. She aight. With all the actual racism going on that rez likes to pretend isn't going on so he can keep saying things like "nigger warning", while still feeling he's got the moral high ground, this is pretty low on the list.

    If you weren't saying this was about race at all, then why did you mention she was black?




    Msg #113: On 5/4/2015 at 11:50:58 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #104, saying:
    So I can say derogatory things about gays and you won't care, right?

        Replies: 114
    Msg #114: On 5/5/2015 at 12:58:10 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #113, saying:
    Is that what I said? Or are you assuming hetero men & gay men have an equal playing field?

    Be respectful, for fucks sake. Being respectful isn't remotely hard, yet you lot seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to say shit like "nigger" or "faggot" without any repercussions. You also seem to be INCREDIBLY, overly defensive - comparing occasional, minute generalizations abt white people to tbe stereotypes POC and especially black people face every.day. Not to mention generalizations -I- face everyday. "Oh, wow, you're not like other gay men!" "You sure you're gay? You don't act femme like others." "You just haven't met the right girl yet."

    Until you can relate to that experience, please, shut up.

    Trainwreck, I AM white, and if I can let goofy "white ppl" jokes roll like water off a ducks back, so can you. I can also recognize the difference between stereotypes like "white people cant dance" and "black people arent good parents" - - one is harmful, the other isn't.


        Replies: 118
    Msg #115: On 5/5/2015 at 1:04:23 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    You give straight men a bad reputation. Just saying.


    Msg #116: On 5/5/2015 at 1:05:45 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Now, for the last. FUCKING. time. Can we please continue talking about Star Wars???!


    Msg #117: On 5/5/2015 at 1:21:35 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Isn't this cute? :3




    Msg #118: On 5/5/2015 at 1:21:43 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #114, saying:
    What's with all the fucking negativity always coming from you? You're literally the least pleasant person here. "You lot"...holy shit, what a great way to lump me in with other board users in a dishonest attempt to put words in my mouth.

    Get this, dipshit: if Person A can't say something shitty about another person based on demographics over which they have no control, then neither can Person B. That's literally my whole point, and it seems to elude you.

    And I give straight men a bad name? That comment just makes no sense. You're just lashing out like a pissed-off child now.


        Replies: 119
    Msg #119: On 5/5/2015 at 1:26:31 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #118, saying:
    "Always." Yes, negativity is always coming from me. Always. Despite the very real points I bring up. Despite the many positive and contributory posts I make to movie threads and general threads. Despite the positive conversations I have with others, like Chase and Rez. Despite the many times I have tried to be positive with you!! Which is real funny, cuz I never called you anything, but you're real comfortable suddenly throwing about bullcrap insults like "dipshit". Seriously, are you that defensive? Yet I'M the childish one! And you see yourself as the smart one!! Irony!! OMG your logic is bullshit! how old are you?!?! and really? you've never called someone a "faggot" or "nigger"? cuz that's real surprising.

    You seem to be the only one who thinks I'm negative. Meaning it seems to only bother you.Like damn, paranoid much?





    ANYway. if you cant address someone else's points and instead only attack their character, you shouldnt be engaging in a conversation until you learn to do those things.


        Replies: 148
    Msg #120: On 5/5/2015 at 1:33:17 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    I mean, it's clear you have a huge problem with me, so maybe you're the one with "all the fucking negativity"???

    If my posts bother you so much, ignore them. REALLY not my problem. Ostro suggested I ignore Rez, but honestly, Rez is proving a lot friendlier and more reasonable than you.


        Replies: 122
    Msg #121: On 5/5/2015 at 2:07:10 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:



    Now, where the hell did they dock?



    Msg #122: On 5/5/2015 at 2:51:30 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #120, saying:
    I think you're being pretty unfair to Trainwreck right now, to be honest.

        Replies: 123
    Msg #123: On 5/5/2015 at 2:53:41 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #122, saying:
    Fair enough. How so? Because if he could word it like this, and point it out like this, I'd be willing to engage - As it stands, he's called me a dipshit when I did or said nothing. Real curious.

        Replies: 127
    Msg #124: On 5/5/2015 at 3:03:01 AM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #111, saying:
    Then why point out her race at all?

        Replies: 125, 130
    Msg #125: On 5/5/2015 at 3:04:50 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #124, saying:
    In some other cases, it would read as an attempt to cover up or erase her race - I don't know if that translates to this specfic example, but it has happened in the past.


    Msg #126: On 5/5/2015 at 3:05:32 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    What I'm wondering is, Why would Lee see this as an example of racism or colorism, while also criticizing me for pointing out homophobia? Trainwreck can defend himself! If you want to talk about this privately, Lee, let me know - I feel like you would be the only person who I could actually talk about this to without either one of us getting defensive about it.


    Msg #127: On 5/5/2015 at 3:09:49 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #123, saying:
    Trainwreck is never the guy to derail a thread with a bunch of histrionic male rage. Whatever he may think about gays, women, etc., he always tries to keep the mood friendly. I get where you're coming from and basically agree with you, but I don't think he meant to be disrespectful or hateful.

    EDIT: WTF, three posts while I was typing a three sentence response? What is this, 2002?


        Replies: 128, 129
    Msg #128: On 5/5/2015 at 3:11:02 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #127, saying:
    Also fair enough, but anytime I voice an opinion that is slightly progressive or left, he -always- singles me out. It doesn't matter what thread it's in. And it's really getting annoying.


    Msg #129: On 5/5/2015 at 3:12:03 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #127, saying:
    four technically~*~*~*~


    Msg #130: On 5/5/2015 at 3:19:07 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #124, saying:
    It ain't complicated. Lupita Nyong'o is the It Girl now, and what separates her from other actors is that she is known for being a gorgeous black woman. That's her main draw. To pay all the money they must have paid to get her in the movie just to cover her up with some CGI alien is hilarious to me because it's such a stupid waste. There are so many other actors known for their voice work and physicality that could play some female alien pirate or whatever, but they went out of their way to cast Lupita Nyong'o.

    Also, fucking ROFLcopter at Narrator saying she's "aight." What do you look like, dude? I didn't say she was hot, either, by the way, I said she was beautiful. It's not the same thing.


        Replies: 131, 132, 133, 137
    Msg #131: On 5/5/2015 at 3:22:06 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #130, saying:
    And I completely agree. She is striking and known for making a beautiful, fashionable appearance, and a memorable statement.


    Msg #132: On 5/5/2015 at 3:29:29 AM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #130, saying:
    Well maybe Lupita is fucking awesome at motion capture and could win the oscar for it.

    YOU NEVER FUCKING KNOW!



    Msg #133: On 5/5/2015 at 3:33:46 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #130, saying:
    btw my skype is "ohjeezitsriley" and my facebook is "riley johnson". this is my profile picture.



    lets chat, kittens


        Replies: 145
    Msg #134: On 5/5/2015 at 3:48:49 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    -I- never meant to be disrespectful. I just don't have much patience, especially when other people are quick to start dishing out weird insults like "dipshit".


    Msg #135: On 5/5/2015 at 4:17:30 AM, Bryan replied, saying:
    I fucking love this place.

        Replies: 136
    Msg #136: On 5/5/2015 at 4:21:16 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #135, saying:
    Dans is a magical place, full of friendship and understanding and compromise.


    YAAASSSSSSSSSS



    Msg #137: On 5/5/2015 at 4:36:43 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #130, saying:
    What I look like doesn't have anything to do with her being aight, but since you asked, I'm fucking gorgeous

        Replies: 138
    Msg #138: On 5/5/2015 at 4:39:49 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #137, saying:
    YAS QUEEN!!! IF YOU CANT LOVE YOURSELF HOW YOU GONNA LOVE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN I GET AN AMEN

        Replies: 139
    Msg #139: On 5/5/2015 at 4:50:42 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #138, saying:
    LET THE MUSIC PLAY

        Replies: 140
    Msg #140: On 5/5/2015 at 6:09:00 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #139, saying:
    THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE REST OF YOUR LIFE~*~*~


    Msg #141: On 5/5/2015 at 9:05:55 AM, Coprolite replied, saying:
    Just a great big happy family 'round here, I honestly don't know why I've watched all this squabbling from the shadows for fifteen God damn years. What does this say about me? What is my connection to you people?!

    By the way is that poster official? I'm not really digging it. What the hell is going on with Han, he looks like a high school art assignment.


        Replies: 142, 143
    Msg #142: On 5/5/2015 at 11:17:52 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #141, saying:
    It's not official, but Drew Struzan-inspired pieces are always fun.


    Msg #143: On 5/5/2015 at 11:36:39 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #141, saying:
    It's not official...just fan art that's been floating around for a while. You're right, though...that looks more like Odo from Star Trek: DS9 than Han Solo.




    Msg #144: On 5/5/2015 at 2:41:25 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #111, saying:

    If you were reading my posts thinking, "Wow, is this guy serious?" or "Wow this is stupid," then congrats, now you know how it looks to read something like "LOL for making this black actress a CGI character." I mean how can you not look at the Bradley Cooper comparison and see that you really have nothing to say here?

    You then go on to say that her main appeal is that she's stunningly beautiful, well, okay, then why say the black thing?

    And then further down you clarify that her main appeal, rather what she's known for, is being black.

    ...

    Okay? So how is this helping things? How is this not putting a focus on race? Weren't you saying earlier that black actors need more roles than just historical oscar bait where they play oppressed black people?

    Maybe every once in a while she just wants to be an actress and not a black actress? Maybe she just wanted to be in Star Wars?

    FTR I don't consider myself that racist(everyone is a little bit racist, so goes the song and scientific fact) because when the cast was announced and John Boyega was in there I was pumped as hell because Attack the Block is awesome. I didn't think "OH NO A BLACK GUY!" and I didn't think "OH YAY A BLACK GUY!" I just thought "Oh shit this is badass!"

    Putting the focus on someone's race in either direction- negative or positive- is ultimately racist and leads to where we are as a society now. Which, look around, is not a good place to be in. And every time you or anyone else makes it about someone being black- even if you think that makes it a progressive, great thing, in reality it's just another step back.


        Replies: 147
    Msg #145: On 5/5/2015 at 2:55:19 PM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #133, saying:
    LEBUFF? IS THAT YOU?!



        Replies: 146
    Msg #146: On 5/5/2015 at 3:28:17 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #145, saying:
    Where's his Padawan tassle?




    Msg #147: On 5/5/2015 at 3:37:30 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #144, saying:
    I can see how focusing -solely- on someone's race can be a bad thing, even if you have good intentions, but it also isn't off the table for discussion altogether. There are many, many talented actors/actresses who get looked over for a lot of reasons - sometimes that reason is race, sometimes gender, sometimes sexual orientation.

    Praising a film for its diversity isn't always a bad thing imo. I just think Ostro's wording was a lil off - Lupita Nyong'o is so tied to beauty and race because she's the first Kenyan actress to win an Academy Award, one of only six black women to win an Academy Award, and one of only 3 black women to ever be named People Magazine's "Most Beautiful Woman in the World". It sounds a little dumb to pay a People Magazine title like that any gravity, but that's 3 black women over the couse of 26 years now. She did a lot of fashion editorials and covers when she initially shot up in fame around '12 Years a Slave', too.



    Msg #148: On 5/5/2015 at 11:51:08 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #119, saying:
    Here's what's wrong with pretty much everything you've said to me recently: you seem to want to be taken seriously as a socially-conscious progressive type, but you oscillate pretty wildly between being that and also doing your best to live up to some sassy, abrasive gay man image. I'd really be fine if you would pick one or the other, but you can't have it both ways, especially not in the same thread.

    In short, no, you cannot say blatantly offensive things about white, straight men while saying it's not ok for those in the same demographics to criticize others. Double standards are not ethically justifiable.

    The reason I'm not commenting on Rez's insane image overload a couple dozen posts ago is because it really deserves no comment. Rez is first and foremost a troll. He's a funny one, and one I enjoy having on this board, but he trolls a lot nonetheless. He's basically consistent in his delivery but more often than not, his goal is to be offensive to somebody.

    And just for shiggles, here's what you said to me in your picture thread:

    Trust me, I'm not down to fuck, either. And I never was. I don't fuck gross straight boys. Only cute ones.

    So here again, your only point is to insult me for no other reason than I attempted to contribute to your thread. A thread which is essentially you obnoxiously screen-humping all the other gay men on this board, but whatever. Could you imagine if I'd said something similar to some board female? Or you, Ostro, or Archaeopteryx? Or called you guys faggots or something in a non-trolling way? You'd lose your shit, and I wouldn't blame you.

    It's not as if I'm on the other side of the screen weeping right now, but you should at least know why I don't take you seriously at all. You lose your shit and directly insult me without provocation.


        Replies: 150
    Msg #149: On 5/6/2015 at 12:53:31 AM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    I troll for entrainment but hope that my views aren't entirely discarded as I RAISE LOTS OF EXCELLENT POINTS


    Msg #150: On 5/6/2015 at 1:16:45 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #148, saying:
    You notice it's only to you, though? Why do you think that is? Maybe it's you. Like, the fact you think I even care whether or not you, specifically, take me seriously... That ship sailed when you decided to single me out in every thread I comment in. Sorry, I'm over it. Me and Lee have flirted in the past; if Archaeo has a problem, I'll apologize. I think the both of them can speak for themselves though. What an odd thing to nitpick. "Without provocation", indeed.


    Msg #151: On 5/6/2015 at 1:41:10 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    I already suggested we ignore each other, so that's what I plan on doing from here on out. You can respond to what I post if you really want, but you'd be wasting your time.

    Edit: okay... I know I said I'd ignore you, but I just have to point this out because this is ridiculous. The only person I was "obnoxiously screen-humping" in that thread was Ostro, and besides us two, Archaeopteryx is the only other gay man on the board, who I never hit on. Ostro & me flirt all the time. This is a very extreme overreaction... For what? You're pissed that gay men are having fun? I don't know why it's so obnoxious to you other than you -letting- it bother you. This just makes your reaction that much more hilarious. You keep poking me with a stick, then get weepy and play the victim when I show you I really have no patience for your bullshit. And yes, you are weepy, for making this big of a fuss over something you instigated to begin with.

    Going back to ignoring you.



    Msg #152: On 5/6/2015 at 3:24:21 AM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying:
    Uhh Trainwreck is definitely not the only one who thinks you are negative. I know you don't give a shit but Paul and I think you are over the top angry all the time and I know one or two other people I've talked to on fb or Xbox think the same thing. And clearly Rez thinks so as well.

    I mean even Ostro called you out on here saying to tone it down.

    Btw your flirting with Ostro is just getting excessive. Thirsty much? Come on man. Take that shit to facebook or something.


        Replies: 153
    Msg #153: On 5/6/2015 at 3:26:53 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #152, saying:
    He's the only one who's mentioned it personally. You're kinda painting yourselves as some silly knitting circle, talking about me behind my back. Regardless, most of those other people you mention, I've become very agreeable and friendly with. In fact, I haven't had an outburst besides this one in quite some time. It seems silly to mention things that haven't happened in recent history.

    Plus, I know I already owned up to it, but if it makes you feel better: I do have anger issues. I battled alcoholism for a majority of 2013-2014. I've worked past it.

    Ostro said I was being unfair, but he agreed with my points. And to be honest, most of my flirting is joking, excessive or not. That's something you're really just gonna have to put up with.


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    Msg #154: On 5/6/2015 at 3:28:49 AM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying:
    That all being said, calling out straight white men is definitely LESSER of evils, just because of the fact that they are the least oppressed and most privileged group of people on the planet. I still don't agree with the practice, but racism towards minorities who are face discrimination daily is worse.

    But the chick in rez's image is a fucktard.


        Replies: 155
    Msg #155: On 5/6/2015 at 3:29:38 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #154, saying:
    I agree, the twitter user in Rez's screencap is clearly taking it to the most ridiculous extremes imaginable.


    Msg #156: On 5/6/2015 at 3:31:10 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #153, saying:
    Not really, I've openly called you out so I don't see how it's behind your back. I talk about things happening on Dan's with people from Dan's. I'm sure people say I'm a doodoo head behind my back too, who gives a shit?

    And yes, Ostro said you were being unfair. He agreed with your points but now how you were saying them and treating TW.


        Replies: 157
    Msg #157: On 5/6/2015 at 3:32:02 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #156, saying:
    You know what? I can concede that I was being unfair, but like I said, if someone keeps poking me with a stick, I'm gonna get pissed. He never took me seriously, and hardly respected my opinions, even when I wasn't "personally insulting" him.


    Msg #158: On 5/6/2015 at 3:38:59 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    I mean, I know I've personally singled you out & shat on your movie battle threads over some small disagreement. I apologize for that. And it's clear you aren't holding onto it like some weird chip on your shoulder - we're having a civil discussion right now.

        Replies: 162
    Msg #159: On 5/6/2015 at 3:46:29 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Here's some actual movie news: The next Star Wars anthology film after 'Rogue One' will be a Boba Fett origin story.

        Replies: 160, 164
    Msg #160: On 5/6/2015 at 4:47:01 AM, JPwonderboy replied to Msg #159, saying:
    No point in that nonsense. Already got that Boba Fett origin shit in AOTC. Needless as fuck.

        Replies: 161
    Msg #161: On 5/6/2015 at 5:04:47 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #160, saying:
    And the Clone Wars tv series, for that matter.


    Msg #162: On 5/6/2015 at 6:05:07 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #158, saying:
    TW wasn't really poking you that hard, just making a point. You kinda flew off the handle when he said his first comment to you.

    I really don't hold grudges on this site. I sometimes think people have stupid ass movie opinions but whatever. It's the internet. I don't believe anyone here deep down is a real piece of shit or anything. I think we have all used this place to loudly voice our opinions and let some stress out and it doesn't mean we are bad people.

    Except raptor2000 for banning Jacqueline, fucking dick.


        Replies: 163
    Msg #163: On 5/6/2015 at 6:12:11 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #162, saying:
    I didn't mean only in this thread. But yea, this was a situation of the straw that broke the camel's back.


    Msg #164: On 5/6/2015 at 10:58:59 AM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #159, saying:
    Hah, I praise Rogue One for being about a new group of characters and say I hope they do that for the future anthology movies instead of focusing instead on characters who already got the spotlight in the main episodes, and then the very next movie announced is about an existing character. Typical.

    I used to love Boba Fett as a kid, but his still-canonical appearance in AOTC really killed a majority of my interest in. He was one of those characters that just didn't need a backstory...our lack of knowledge about him was what made him cool and fearsome. The only Fett solo movie I'd be interested would be one post ROTJ finally showing in-canon that Boba Fett survived the Sarlacc pit and his subsequent actions. They've already announced this is an origin story though, so while I will see it because it is a Star Wars movie, it is by far my least anticipated one announced so far.


        Replies: 165
    Msg #165: On 5/6/2015 at 3:55:00 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #164, saying:
    Agreed - most every other portion of Boba Fett's life, we've already seen on the screen, besides him crawling out of the sarlacc. That'd be real interesting, and would also be a fun bridge between Episode VI and Episode VII/The Force Awakens.


    Msg #166: On 5/7/2015 at 9:41:47 PM, Trainwreck replied, saying:
    Racism or hatred of any kind leveled at any demographic is equally repugnant and never defensible.

    You keep poking me with a stick, then get weepy and play the victim when I show you I really have no patience for your bullshit.

    This is the part that really baffles me, since I don't ever recall provoking you or poking you with a stick. I seriously have no idea what you're talking about, but ok.

    And yes, you are weepy, for making this big of a fuss over something you instigated to begin with.

    Again, I'm not the one flying off the handle here.


        Replies: 167, 174
    Msg #167: On 5/8/2015 at 6:34:20 AM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #166, saying:
    fucking trainwreck, always causing shit, what an asshat, get back on the handle


    Msg #168: On 5/8/2015 at 1:13:35 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Posters~~~*~*~ :D





        Replies: 169
    Msg #169: On 5/8/2015 at 4:18:25 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #168, saying:
    The new look of the stormtroopers still just isn't doing it for me. I dunno if it's just because I'm so used to the old design, but I doubt it because I had no problem with the clone trooper armour designs in the prequels. To me, the new designs just kind of look like an amateur tried to build some homemade stormtrooper but couldn't quite get the look right....it looks a lot cheaper than the old design.

    I'm sure I'll grow to become used to it in time, but for now I'm kinda iffy on it.



    Msg #170: On 5/8/2015 at 5:29:50 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    They just look like evolved storm trooper outfits to me.

        Replies: 171
    Msg #171: On 5/8/2015 at 7:25:29 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #170, saying:
    Agreed, they look sleeker and are kinda more geometric/edgy, I like how subtle the differences are.


    Msg #172: On 5/8/2015 at 7:34:26 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    iTroopers

        Replies: 173
    Msg #173: On 5/8/2015 at 9:50:08 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #172, saying:
    It wouldn't surprise me if Apple was the beginning of the Empire... and now I want to photoshop an Apple logo onto their helmet.


    Msg #174: On 5/8/2015 at 10:09:09 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #166, saying:
    "Msg #166: On 5/7/2015 at 9:41:47 PM, Trainwreck replied, saying:
    Racism or hatred of any kind leveled at any demographic is equally repugnant and never defensible. "

    No it's not.

    Go talk to anybody who faces systemic racism and bigotry. It's just different dude. It's different when you are the minority. It is much more terrifying to deal with on a day to day basis.

    Again, I am not defending racist comments, I just don't think all racist comments are EQUALLY bad, and it is much more understandable if a black person as a minority who has faced racism from a majority of whites their entire life (getting stopped by police, getting into fights or worse, losing out on opportunities, being turned down for loans, etc etc) makes a comment about how much white people piss them off.


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    Msg #175: On 5/9/2015 at 3:20:49 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Except leveling your frustration at a whole race is... racist.

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    Msg #176: On 5/9/2015 at 3:49:38 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #174, saying:
    It's clear that in different cultures, comments about different races have the capacity to cause varying levels of harm. That said, it is equally wrong and equally unacceptable for a non-white person to say domething bad as it is for a white person to say it. What if I got jumped by a group of black kids? Would it suddenly be more acceptable for me to be a racist? The argument provided fails to take into account each and every individual's varying life experience, and that's why it fails.

    Plus, the more you tell a group that they have to live by separate rules and that it's ok for people to hate them, the more resentful they will be of you, and rightfully so. If someone were to tell me I should feel the slightest guilt over racism in this country, or that it's acceptable for me or my family to be harassed because of our race(s), I'll kindly tell them to fuck right off.


        Replies: 177, 180
    Msg #177: On 5/9/2015 at 9:36:07 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #176, saying:
    In principal it is just as wrong for a Black person to be racist against a white person, as it is the other way around, or for any person to be racist toward any group.

    But Vinny is saying that in practice, racism from whites to nonwhites has much worse consequences for the victims. In general it is harder to get jobs, harder to be accepted into college, because of things like stereotype threat people can even perform worse than they would have on exams.

    As Louie ck says, you can't even hurt my feelings about being white.

    You can't hurt my feelings either, really and I'm Jewish, which may or may not count as white. Being jewish was a disadvantage, but now it is pretty much the exact opposite not even a century after WWII and the reason it has so little effect is because Jews, like other white people, now have political power and influence. People still make anti semetic remarks but they wash off me because, really, being stereotyped as someone who gets money doesn't do anything to me.

    so on principal, its just as wrong, but in practice, racism from whites to others has worse consequences, and racism towards whites is understandable. Not acceptable, but understandable.


        Replies: 178
    Msg #178: On 5/9/2015 at 2:01:09 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #177, saying:
    so on principal, its just as wrong, but in practice, racism from whites to others has worse consequences

    That's basically what I was saying.

    and racism towards whites is understandable

    Racism toward blacks is understandable, too. You can understand racism toward any group, or you can understand how any particular instance of injustice toward an individual occurred. However, hatred, injustice, etc. are all equally unacceptable regardless of the origin and the target.



    Msg #179: On 5/9/2015 at 2:25:22 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #175, saying:
    Where did I say it is NOT racist? Are you paying attention, Chase?


    Msg #180: On 5/9/2015 at 2:31:53 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #176, saying:
    Except I'm not just talking about life experiences. Statistically speaking, as a black person or any other minority, you look at the statistics and it probably pisses you off, because in general white people are holding down minorities. Minorities are not doing the same to white people (on a systemic level, anyway). And racism to minorities is not understandable for this reason. Basically all racism from white people in our continent boils down to stereotypes that aren't true. Meanwhile minorities are being tangibly, statistically discriminated against.

        Replies: 186
    Msg #181: On 5/9/2015 at 2:32:43 PM, Raptor Vinny replied, saying:
    Rez, I know you're a troll but can you please resize your image :)


    Msg #182: On 5/9/2015 at 3:37:08 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    It seems most here are more worried about of the Merriam-Webster definition of the word 'racist', instead of actually talking about racism as it happens in our respective countries and how it affects citizens in our countries.

    Imagine that.



    Msg #183: On 5/9/2015 at 3:41:35 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:


    Since this conversation has happened before and isn't getting anywhere further or new, here's another pic. Would be real cool to sit in that cockpit. Lucky bastards.


        Replies: 184
    Msg #184: On 5/10/2015 at 12:49:11 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #183, saying:
    Is there a single instance in all of Star Wars media where the windows break on a spaceship?

    EDIT: Oh, when General Grievous blows out a window to escape his ship or something. Such a memorable scene, don't know how it slipped my mind at first.


        Replies: 185
    Msg #185: On 5/10/2015 at 1:07:39 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #184, saying:
    Episode III is kinda forgettable. The best of the prequels, but still forgettable.

        Replies: 189
    Msg #186: On 5/10/2015 at 1:50:26 PM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #180, saying:
    Statistically speaking, as a black person or any other minority, you look at the statistics and it probably pisses you off, because in general white people are holding down minorities.

    White people were holding minorities down in the past, but I don't think a compelling argument can be made that we're doing the same today. That doesn't mean we don't live with many of the same effects of that racism, and I'm not saying that our countries are perfect. But to say we're "holding down" (ie actively oppressing) minorities is a major stretch. Also, not all minorities are performing equally: do Asians get to claim they're being held down as well? If not, why not?

    And racism to minorities is not understandable for this reason.

    You're misusing the word "understandable" then, since everything is understandable in theory. What I think you mean is "justifiable," ie, you think that racism against whites is legitimate.

    But it's not justifiable. It never is. If you or I moved to Saudi Arabia tomorrow I'd face a lot of very real oppression from their system over there. If you were to ask us a year later what we thought of the Saudis, we might "understandably" be pretty prejudiced against all Saudis; but we could never "justifiably" be prejudiced against all Saudis.


        Replies: 187, 188
    Msg #187: On 5/10/2015 at 2:34:15 PM, Narrator replied to Msg #186, saying:
    No one actively/ openly oppresses minorities, because doing so is social/political/professional suicide, but because overt racism is so discouraged, implicit racial bias is a huge problem. Experiments have shown that black people are something like twice as likely (it might be more, I forget) to be shot while unarmed than white people. Black sounding names get less call backs on applications, black people get followed in stores (which is actually really handy if you actually wanna steal something, take a suspicious looking black friend with you, while you, an innocent looking white man, or better, a woman, take the goods)

    so even though people don't overtly hold minority races down, implicit racism, (Not just hidden racism, that white people hide from others, but associations that people don't even know they have) is getting worse.


    Racism against white people is understandable, not because "everything is understandable in theory" but because it's a reaction to oppression. Black people didn't come to europe and take white people as slaves because they saw them as inherently less than. They didn't put white people in zoos and gawk at them as a sub species. Black people didn't intentionally segregate blacks from whites in school to keep them less educated. Racism toward white people happens for the same reason a person hates a certain food after being sick after it. And it's understandable why a white person would become racist after being beaten by black people. It's still not justifiable, or acceptable but it is way more understandable than looking at a group of people and deciding they're less valuable.



    Msg #188: On 5/10/2015 at 4:20:14 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #186, saying:
    "You're misusing the word "understandable" then, since everything is understandable in theory. What I think you mean is "justifiable," ie, you think that racism against whites is legitimate."

    Nope, I'm specifically using the word "understandable" for exactly the reason you just described. It isn't justifiable to be racist, I just cut minorities more slack and empathize with where they are coming from when they get pissed off at white people. Usually when they get mad at white people I tell them something like, "hey I understand you're pissed off at the system but we are making progress and not all white people are racist, and we do make an effort to be conscious of our racial biases." Vs if a white person says "Fuck these stupid monkeys living off welfare and taking my tax dollars!" I just tell them to shut the fuck up.



    And Rocky just took the words out of my mouth. If you deny any of his points you aren't living in reality or objectively looking at the facts and statistics.


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    Msg #189: On 5/10/2015 at 4:20:54 PM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #185, saying:
    V87 now that rez has resized his images can you fix yours earlier in this thread? It's stretching the page and making this thread very annoying to read :)

        Replies: 190, 191
    Msg #190: On 5/10/2015 at 5:02:53 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #189, saying:
    What the fuck, are you looking at the board in an iPhone or something?


    Msg #191: On 5/10/2015 at 5:44:03 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #189, saying:


    fixed~



    Msg #192: On 5/11/2015 at 2:39:10 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    This is, allegedly, the CG character being portrayed by Lupita Nyong'o.




    Disregarding the earlier discussion...




    Granted, it is unexpected. And I can tell from what the filmmakers have said, that her character will be a memorable and pivotal one. So we'll see.


        Replies: 193
    Msg #193: On 5/11/2015 at 2:51:17 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #192, saying:
    What's the problem, exactly?

        Replies: 194
    Msg #194: On 5/11/2015 at 2:55:12 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #193, saying:
    TBH, it seems like the Madame Lalaurie New Orleans answer to Jar Jar Binks, imo. At least she's being portrayed by an actual black person though.

    Edit: fuck, the voice of Jar Jar -is- a black man. I look stupid now. But only slightly.


        Replies: 195
    Msg #195: On 5/11/2015 at 3:11:00 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #194, saying:
    more than slightly

        Replies: 196
    Msg #196: On 5/11/2015 at 3:27:40 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #195, saying:
    It already feels derivative, is what I'm trying to say. My main concern is that they make this character just as much a stereotype as Jar Jar. I only have a drawing of -alleged- concept art. SO yeah, I am jumping to conclusions. But I have reason to. The prequels fucked up bad, and Jar Jar is one of the most glaring examples.

    edit: plus ur hardly one to talk hun :) but you're right, more than slightly stupid. it was pretty dumb of me to generalize like that, so my bad.



    Msg #197: On 5/11/2015 at 2:31:42 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    I think your paranoid and want to find it racist.

        Replies: 198
    Msg #198: On 5/11/2015 at 2:46:18 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #197, saying:
    Girl I already admitted I was jumpin the gun. You want to try to read me, but those shoulders should match them hips, and they don't~


    Msg #199: On 5/11/2015 at 2:53:55 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    I think sometimes people want to call out something without understanding that the harm comes from examples that are about malicious intent, not subconscious stereotypes.

        Replies: 200
    Msg #200: On 5/11/2015 at 3:12:07 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #199, saying:
    Racism doesn't always have to be overtly malicious to still cause harm. Do you think Jar Jar, Nute Gunray & the rest of the Trade federation were acceptable stereotypes? I think there's a difference between "subconscious stereotypes", and the CG equivalent of blackface/yellowface.


    Msg #201: On 5/11/2015 at 4:26:35 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Where is the evidence that those characters are racist? Who are calling them out and who is offended to the point of harm? Their behavior and language is too bizarre to pin a particular race... Or is it YOUR subconscious racism that's doing the connecting.

        Replies: 202
    Msg #202: On 5/11/2015 at 4:30:27 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #201, saying:
    Um... This is actually a widely discussed topic. Your tone seems very pointed right now.


    Msg #203: On 5/11/2015 at 4:34:55 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Widely discussed and for a long time, too - this is from 1999, when Episode I came out.




    Msg #204: On 5/11/2015 at 4:44:30 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Dave Chen points out why the caricatures in Episode I are so obviously racist, and denying that fact is silly. My "subconscious racism", lol.


    Msg #205: On 5/11/2015 at 4:46:47 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    From his post:

    "Many people have responded to the above allegation of racial stereotyping by saying "Well, they're aliens. Aren't YOU being racist by saying that these are ethnic stereotypes?" Good one. But hiding your ignorance behind the veil of a different species does not make it acceptable."

    Since the unfortunate implications of these stereotyped caricatures was obvious to nigh everyone but you, maybe you just are slightly ignorant on the subject? Which is fine, everyone is ignorant to some degree. It's how we grow.



    Msg #206: On 5/11/2015 at 5:05:24 PM, PaulSF replied, saying:
    The synopsis still remains the same in 2015: Jar Jar is a silly creature for kids George Lucas thought of, and then Ahmed Best based the mannerisms and the way he talks on his little children at the time of filming. Speaking of children, the man-children overreacted, still hate it, and call it racist, as if he was the first character in these movies you could point to as making fun of an ethnicity. There will be more dull as fucking dishwater, misguided "That was racist/sexist!" debating over nothing worthy of that topic in the future.

        Replies: 207
    Msg #207: On 5/11/2015 at 5:10:03 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #206, saying:
    If the people of the affected ethnicity are saying it's racism, I'm not sure if it's your place to speak over them & say "No, that's not racist & you're making a big deal of nothing." I'm merely reiterating what I've read/heard - that, to these groups, it really was offensive. I don't think an yone was insinuating they're the first instances - just that, that level of ignorant stereotypes wasn't acceptable in the 90s, and it certainly shouldn't be acceptable in fucking 2015.

        Replies: 212
    Msg #208: On 5/11/2015 at 5:14:48 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Like, for one thing, why are you so quick to label these people as "man-children"? Is it because you're incapable of addressing their concerns seriously and respectfully?

        Replies: 209
    Msg #209: On 5/11/2015 at 5:18:35 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #208, saying:




    Hmm.


        Replies: 210
    Msg #210: On 5/11/2015 at 5:20:35 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #209, saying:
    I think you're equating those two fuckwads with people who have genuine concerns. I think you're doing it intentionally. You know there are people who aren't like that.

        Replies: 211
    Msg #211: On 5/11/2015 at 5:34:38 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #210, saying:
    After all, it's just those random two, right? Not the loser-fuck attention whoring majority that took me less than four seconds to find an example of in answering why they might deserve little to (preferably) nothing. They are the loud voice, will continue to be at the forefront of this, and still aren't worth my time.


    Msg #212: On 5/11/2015 at 5:39:28 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #207, saying:
    Of course it's my place to speak my mind about race, I'm a human being just like blacks, latinos, asians and indians. The day we stop considering ourselves separate is the day we put differences aside and become one with the fucking universe.

    Also, just because someone misconstrues a piece of art, doesn't make them right.


        Replies: 216
    Msg #213: On 5/11/2015 at 5:42:07 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    😂 Ok.


    Msg #214: On 5/11/2015 at 5:44:04 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    You're terribly arrogant, which means you aren't flexible to see other points of view.

        Replies: 215
    Msg #215: On 5/11/2015 at 5:45:01 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #214, saying:
    Ok. 😂


    Msg #216: On 5/11/2015 at 5:45:39 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #212, saying:
    Also, just because someone misconstrues a piece of art, doesn't make them right.

    Here all along I always thought this should be obvious! Then I read things on the internet. Like Dan's. It's scary. There's a reason why these kinds of people don't make movies (and never will).



    Msg #217: On 5/11/2015 at 5:45:44 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Nice defense mechanism.

        Replies: 219, 221
    Msg #218: On 5/11/2015 at 5:46:53 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Like, this started with you two dogpiling me after I already apologized for being a dumbass. You started this conversation. Yet somehow I'm arrogant for defending my point of view with sources, and while you attack my character instead of addressing my points.

        Replies: 222
    Msg #219: On 5/11/2015 at 5:47:38 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #217, saying:
    It's what he does. Move along. I have a splendid cut of Rib-Eye to season. I love this one:

        Replies: 220
    Msg #220: On 5/11/2015 at 5:48:38 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #219, saying:
    And I'M the arrogant one!😂 Paul, if you dont start being nicer to me, I won't let you take me to Steak & Shake. Date night will be ruined.


    Msg #221: On 5/11/2015 at 5:50:49 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #217, saying:
    Freshman psych rears its ugly head


    Msg #222: On 5/11/2015 at 5:59:57 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #218, saying:
    You're arrogant because you've already seemed to have figured it out instead of being open minded about the issue. Don't take accusations of racism and condemnation lightly. How would you like someone accusing you of the same shit on a film or something you wrote? It's not exactly something that feels good.

    How's this for psych class. You annoyingly dive into jokes to avoid confrontation and it gets tiresome..


        Replies: 223
    Msg #223: On 5/11/2015 at 6:04:01 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #222, saying:
    Now we're getting somewhere. Granted, in my initial exchange w/ Narrator about the concept art of Lupita Nyong'o's character, I changed my tune pretty quickly when he pointed out I was drawing conjecture based on very little evidence.

    I AM open-minded, I just honestly think it's ridiculous to say there's no room for discussion re: racist depictions in Star Wars. And ESPECIALLY when you start punching below the belt with bullshit accusations like "maybe that's just -your own- subconscious racism". I'm sorry, but that means me and a LARGE portion of the moviewatching audience "misconstrued a piece of art".

    I don't appreciate people insinuating I'm racist, so forgive me if I get haughty about it.



    Msg #224: On 5/11/2015 at 6:05:05 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    Nice edit. I "annoyingly dive into jokes to avoid confro tation"? You think I AVOID confrontation? Did we just meet??


    Msg #225: On 5/11/2015 at 6:06:28 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    When it gets too heated, you do.

        Replies: 226
    Msg #226: On 5/11/2015 at 6:08:29 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #225, saying:
    I wouldn't call this heated, you just haven't adequately defended your position. You seem more interested in redirecting the topic to my behavior.


    Msg #227: On 5/11/2015 at 6:08:46 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Oh so now you don't like someone accusing you of "racism"?

    It cuts, doesn't it? Kinda hurts. You feel misunderstood.

    Now imagine George Lucas or any other artist.


        Replies: 228
    Msg #228: On 5/11/2015 at 6:11:45 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #227, saying:
    Oh good lord. No one was saying that was his INTENTION. You can still mess up without intending to. It's how you own up that mistake.

        Replies: 229
    Msg #229: On 5/11/2015 at 6:12:54 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #228, saying:
    Let me ask you something.

    Do you have racism inside you? Honest question. What do you think about yourself.


        Replies: 230
    Msg #230: On 5/11/2015 at 6:14:25 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #229, saying:
    I think everyone has all types of prejudice inside them, thanks to societal conditioning to think that it's ok. I check myself when I fuck up, and I move on from there. So, to put it simply, yes, I do. And I work on it everyday.


    Msg #231: On 5/11/2015 at 6:19:27 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    If a friend told me something I'm doing was offensive, I would A) apologize & stop doing it around them, B) examine on my own why it could be fucked up, and C) remove it from my behavior altogether. It's not that I intended to do it - but I'm still stepping on someone's foot, even if it's on accident.

    I wouldn't respond how George Lucas responded, which, funnily enough, kinda mirrors Paul's.

    "Most of them that I’ve met are reasonably dim-witted,” he said of critics. “I mean, they aren’t like the rest of us. They don’t have any knowledge of anything. They’re not successful in any world that I’ve … They certainly don’t know anything about history; they don’t know anything about film. They don’t know anything about politics. They don’t know anything about sociology or psychology or anything. I mean, it’s like, you get into a conversation with them and it’s hard to find a subject that they can actually converse on.”



    Msg #232: On 5/11/2015 at 6:23:12 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    That's good. I have them too. I'm homophobic and have prejudices against blacks. But let's stop suffering for having it. Social conditioning and programing takes time to break free from, and we shouldn't be looking for incremental racism, especially where intentionally there is none. Let's move on from this petty name calling and start getting over "race" itself. If you don't want to be defined by the color of your skin, stop defining the color of your skin. This is everyone's problem. Shaming others doesn't work. It's really about how do you interact with people. How do you treat them.

        Replies: 233
    Msg #233: On 5/11/2015 at 6:31:07 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #232, saying:
    To many people, their skin color is tied to their culture - which IS worthy of being respected and differentiated from other cultures. To many people, the color of their skin still brings them negative attention - if other people still define them by the color of their skin, it's hard for them to dissociate from that. George Lucas wasn't intentionally racist, but there are plenty of instances of intentional, violent racism in our society. See the frat singing about lynching that just got disbanded.

    I agree, worrying about arbitrary differences is silly. And inciting an angry mob mentality about small offenses like poor-taste-caricatures doesn't actually solve anything. But it's still worth talking about - blackface is a very demeaning, dehumanizing form of entertainment. It allowed people to continue seeing other people as less than human. That's horrible, and it's a practice that should have died a long time ago.



    Msg #234: On 5/11/2015 at 6:33:10 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    For black people specifically, racism against them is not exclusice to the US. It could be argued that most parts of the world have anti-black tendencies. That's an entirely different topic though.


    Msg #235: On 5/11/2015 at 6:50:06 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Culture is culture. I mean, there are going to be differences within us, even down to individualistic ticks and whatnot. But these things don't actually matter. And sometimes they're programming too.

    What is nationalism but dependent thought controled by government propaganda? Or our fake kindness and defense mechanisms as parental and societal submission.

    There are much more systems to shred away.


        Replies: 236
    Msg #236: On 5/11/2015 at 7:05:01 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #235, saying:
    I don't necessarily mean nationalism, more like traditions, customs, folklore, etc.

        Replies: 238
    Msg #237: On 5/11/2015 at 7:08:01 PM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    I mean, it sounds silly, but I think the future government of Earth on Futurama is kinda ideal.


    Msg #238: On 5/11/2015 at 7:11:21 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #236, saying:
    I didn't think you did. I was going off on a tangent. Though... I don't think it's a bad idea to group nationalism within culture habits.

    But I do think that there's the very huge importance that people put on culture. That traditions have to be saved. And they put that importance on the shoulders of ancestors and legacy. Again, I'm just not sure that's all important in the grand scheme of life, especially if you're retroactively adopting other, more harmful views in the same breath.

    I had an acting teacher once tell me that "nostalgia is overrated." I happen to agree with him.


        Replies: 240
    Msg #239: On 5/11/2015 at 7:20:41 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    Holy fuck, Paul, you've hit a new low. McCormick spice mixes? Talk about a basic bitch.

        Replies: 242
    Msg #240: On 5/11/2015 at 7:28:39 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #238, saying:
    I can see how tradition is harmful when detrimental traditions are upheld. On the flip side, a lot of cultures - Native Americans, in particular - have suffered attempts to force them to integrate, & to wipe out all information of their past.

    That's kinda fucked up.



    Msg #241: On 5/11/2015 at 7:33:06 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Yeah, doing anything by force is such a harmful thing. And we - humanity - all do it at a incremental level too with other people. I'm just saying we shouldn't be attached and should move on from things when it's necessary.


    Msg #242: On 5/11/2015 at 7:43:12 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #239, saying:
    Oh fuck you that one is amazing. Especially on a budget.

    Speaking of a budget, why Steak & Shake? ...Friendly's is better.


        Replies: 243, 244
    Msg #243: On 5/11/2015 at 8:09:10 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #242, saying:
    This is acceptable.


    Msg #244: On 5/11/2015 at 8:10:11 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #242, saying:
    "On a budget," my ass. Grocery store spices mixes are a huge scam. That exact product is $1.60 per ounce. It's made out of black, green, and pink peppercorns, dried garlic and onions, and parsley. Sea salt is dirt cheap and is used as a filler, so the actual spice part is about $2.00 per ounce, and, at that price, they're very low quality spices, so you have to use a lot to make the food taste good. Light destroys the flavor compounds in spices, as well, and McCormick spices are kept in clear glass under fluorescent lights at the grocery story.

    Now, at The Spice House, the finest spice vendor in the United States (where I buy my spices), the average price of those herbs and spices is $3.52 per ounce, but that, of course, is assuming that they're used in equal weight in that mix. In reality, it looks mostly like black pepper, garlic, and onions, with the other stuff in small amounts, and, of course, parsley weighs hardly anything, so, while an ounce of dried parsley costs $5.98, that much parsley would fill more than a half-dozen of those bottles. In the end, you're paying around the same amount of money for the same amount of spices, give or take fifty cents an ounce or so, but the spices are the best in the world, so you actually use less of them to get the same amount of flavor into your food.


        Replies: 245, 247
    Msg #245: On 5/11/2015 at 8:12:33 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #244, saying:
    I had no idea you were so interested in culinary stuff :O

        Replies: 246
    Msg #246: On 5/11/2015 at 8:14:17 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #245, saying:
    There's never any reason to talk about it on here.


    Msg #247: On 5/11/2015 at 8:38:20 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #244, saying:
    What would you suggest for Rib-Eye and/or New York Strips? I'm definitely bookmarking this site and giving it its due exploration. The Milwaukee Avenue looks enticing.

        Replies: 249, 250
    Msg #248: On 5/12/2015 at 12:17:09 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #188, saying:
    It isn't justifiable to be racist, I just cut minorities more slack and empathize with where they are coming from when they get pissed off at white people.

    And that's why we disagree and will never reach agreement. I do not accept that it is ever, under any circumstances, ok to cut an entire race slack when showing racist tendencies against another race. Racism is bad all around, and we shouldn't make any excuses for it, regardless of the source and the target.

    I just don't see how our two points are reconcilable. I get what you're saying, and I can see it from your angle. But when I try my damndest to remove any emotion from the argument, I simply cannot agree that racism of any sort should be given a pass. No matter the mistakes of the past. I can get why a lot of older people still might hate other races, but racism is injustice by definition; injustice must never be tolerated.

    Yet somehow I'm arrogant for defending my point of view with sources, and while you attack my character instead of addressing my points.

    I hate when that happens.



    Msg #249: On 5/12/2015 at 1:00:56 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #247, saying:
    Fresh basil or bay leaves taste amazing with steak. I'm not Ostro though. :3c


    Msg #250: On 5/12/2015 at 1:22:37 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #247, saying:
    I honestly only put salt on my steaks, sometimes black pepper if I'm making steak au poivre. I don't eat a lot of meat, but when I eat steaks, I only buy grass fed beef because it's tastes so much better it's not even funny, and I don't like to mess with it any more than I have to. Rib-eye steaks are one of my absolute favorite foods and I just put kosher salt on them, sear them, and serve them with collard greens and porter. If you really like "steak seasoning" mixes, though, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the mixes from the Spice House because those people know what they're doing, but I don't know which ones are good because I never buy spice mixes. I just make them at home.

        Replies: 251
    Msg #251: On 5/12/2015 at 1:26:53 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #250, saying:
    Grass-fed? Isn't that tougher than typical steak/less fatty?

        Replies: 252
    Msg #252: On 5/12/2015 at 1:43:10 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #251, saying:
    I don't think it's tougher, but it may be less fatty, and that's just because the cows are healthier. Cows are evolved to eat grass, and beef is supposed to be a deep red color. Industrial cattle are basically trained to eat corn because that's the cheapest thing to feed them, but their digestive systems can't handle it and they put on a lot of extra fat and their flesh turns paler than normal. Cattle would actually get really sick and die on a diet of corn eventually, but they're slaughtered at under a year old, and even then they're often put on antibiotics because they're so unhealthy.

        Replies: 253
    Msg #253: On 5/12/2015 at 1:44:08 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #252, saying:
    holy fuck


    Msg #254: On 5/12/2015 at 1:57:41 AM, Velociraptor87 replied, saying:
    I'mma order grass-fed from now on, tbqh. How do you like? I usually order medium well, not sure if that should change

        Replies: 255, 259
    Msg #255: On 5/12/2015 at 2:16:29 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #254, saying:
    I like medium rare or rare.

        Replies: 256
    Msg #256: On 5/12/2015 at 2:37:55 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #255, saying:
    I don't think I've ever ordered a steak still-mooing. 😏 (mostly jk - i know the pink/red in a rare steak isnt actually blood.)

        Replies: 257
    Msg #257: On 5/12/2015 at 2:40:57 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #256, saying:
    I've eaten maybe five steaks in a restaurant in my entire life. I always cook them at home.

        Replies: 258
    Msg #258: On 5/12/2015 at 3:45:51 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #257, saying:
    ... I have never grillled my own steak. *embarassment*


    Msg #259: On 5/12/2015 at 4:36:39 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #254, saying:
    eating a steak anything above medium is pointless.

        Replies: 260
    Msg #260: On 5/12/2015 at 5:34:47 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #259, saying:
    I agree in principle, but if I order it medium rare and they overcook it I'm still going to eat it.


    Msg #261: On 5/12/2015 at 5:45:21 AM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    What do you think of chimichurri Ostro? It's easily my favorite way to eat a steak.

        Replies: 262
    Msg #262: On 5/12/2015 at 5:49:16 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #261, saying:
    It's great. Argentinians are probably the best steak cooks in the world. All I was saying earlier is that, since I don't eat steak very often, when I do eat it, I try to keep it as simple as possible, but I don't have anything against a really good sauce.


    Msg #263: On 5/12/2015 at 1:35:59 PM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    Racism. Big deal in 'Murica. Steaks and seasoning. Big deal on Dan's.

        Replies: 264
    Msg #264: On 5/12/2015 at 2:06:45 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #263, saying:
    Y'know what, if I can't read about Star Wars stuff in a Star Wars thread, I'd rather read about seasoning steaks than a bunch of people strongly opinionated one way trying hopelessly to convince other people strongly opinionated the other way of changing their opinions. Only on Dan's would a thread celebrating the return of Star Wars turn into a war of words on race relations.

    At least I'm getting some good, useable information out of the steak conversation.


        Replies: 265, 266
    Msg #265: On 5/12/2015 at 2:26:40 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #264, saying:
    "Only on Dan's would a thread celebrating the return of Star Wars turn into a war of words on race relations."

    Dude, have you been anywhere else on the internet? YouTube comments? Twitter? That's how it is everywhere.


        Replies: 267
    Msg #266: On 5/12/2015 at 3:05:54 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #264, saying:
    Then you must not actually be reading what is being said in this thread.


    Msg #267: On 5/12/2015 at 5:20:17 PM, raptor2000 replied to Msg #265, saying:
    I wouldn't be caught dead wasting a second of my life reading Twitter or YouTube comments, but I thought (mistakenly?) people here were a little more intelligent than that.

    You bring up a good point, though. What little conversation actually happens around here nearly immediately diverges into pointless whining, accusations, and name calling. I know it's always been that way around here but I at least used to enjoy coming here and occasionally had fun, intelligent conversations and debates with some of you. I get absolutely no joy out of coming here anymore, and have gotten to where I don't even bother reading a handful of some people's post, and rarely feel the need to post myself anymore. This doesn't feel like a community of friends anymore...it feels like going into a job you don't really like and being around people that merely tolerate each other. So, while I'm sure a majority of you will be happy to read this, I am ending my 16-year-long history with this site. I'm married now, have a home, a full time job, a family, real friends, and while I enjoyed the drama of this place in high school and college, life is just too short to bother with it now. So to the select few of you who still consider me a friend, it's been a memorable ride and you can still catch me on Facebook. To the rest of you....welp, s'long. Let's all keep hoping JW doesn't suck (but, realistically, it probably will).


        Replies: 268, 269, 270, 271, 274, 277
    Msg #268: On 5/12/2015 at 5:30:35 PM, Ostromite replied to Msg #267, saying:
    LOL


    Msg #269: On 5/12/2015 at 8:06:46 PM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #267, saying:
    The funny thing is, despite me being "strongly opinionated", I was still able to reach common ground - with several people. o.o

    It's funny you think -that- is dramatic, and then right after, post a very theatrical "good bye" message. I guess I'm sorry that, apparently unlike you, I can enjoy a form of entertainment AND examine it critically? I didn't think those two were mutually exclusive, silly me.

    Missing you already.




    Msg #270: On 5/12/2015 at 8:58:25 PM, Carnotaur3 replied to Msg #267, saying:
    I'm stumped on what meme I should post now. Thank's a lot, raptor!


    Msg #271: On 5/12/2015 at 9:11:35 PM, PaulSF replied to Msg #267, saying:
    Lmao gtfo. After the Jacqueline thing especially, which held not a single person on your side in the slightest because it was obviously shitty and totally stupid, I can't say you'll be missed.

    Anyway, vegetarian fed beef for life. Absolutely. Publix Greenwise is what I come home with routinely. Ordering spices later. Thanks, Lee.


        Replies: 272
    Msg #272: On 5/13/2015 at 12:24:29 AM, Narrator replied to Msg #271, saying:
    First of all, explain the Jaqueline thing, I am dying to know about that drama!

    Second, I spice my steaks a little differently depending on how I want the dish and stuff, but I never ever use generic "steakhouse" seasaoning because it just gives off this weird taste. I usually use some salt to start, then garlic and onion powder, and I might add some minced garlic too. Then sometimes a little bit of worcestershire and soy. Then I leave it on for around 30 mins while prepping other stuff. It comes out much better than seasoning right before cooking.

    Then, depending on the dish, I might put in some fresh thyme. And lastly, which I think is important, use butter instead of oil when frying, and as the butter melts, spoon some over the top.



        Replies: 273
    Msg #273: On 5/13/2015 at 12:29:44 AM, Ostromite replied to Msg #272, saying:
    Some teenage girl was posting pictures of, like, her fingernails painted with JP logos and her toy collection and stuff, and a bunch of drooling doofuses kept trying to hit on her when she did it. Raptor thought the best course of action was to ban her from the group, then acted like the king of France when we all told him he was acting like an asshole.


    Msg #274: On 5/13/2015 at 1:48:41 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #267, saying:
    Can you give the admin rights in the JW group to someone who isn't a stupid fuckface then, please?

    Good riddance, see ya.

    Now let's get Jacqueline back homies.


        Replies: 275
    Msg #275: On 5/13/2015 at 4:29:39 PM, spinorextor replied to Msg #274, saying:
    She wasn't the only one banned from the FB...

    Still fucking hate you Raptor.



    Msg #276: On 5/13/2015 at 9:23:19 PM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    JAC QUE LINE

    JAC QUE LINE

    JAC QUE LINE

    JAC QUE LINE



    Msg #277: On 5/14/2015 at 12:47:58 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #267, saying:
    I'm married now, have a home, a full time job, a family, real friends

    Maybe if I had at least three of the five of those things I could understand. :-(


        Replies: 278
    Msg #278: On 5/14/2015 at 1:22:54 AM, RezForPrez replied to Msg #277, saying:
    you fucking loser TW, who let you out of your cage

        Replies: 282
    Msg #279: On 5/14/2015 at 2:04:09 AM, Carnotaur3 replied, saying:
    My fake friends keep losing their limbs

        Replies: 281
    Msg #280: On 5/14/2015 at 9:41:44 AM, Narrator replied, saying:
    Does "a family" mean Raptor has kids or something? Because that really bums me out


    Msg #281: On 5/15/2015 at 1:31:15 AM, Velociraptor87 replied to Msg #279, saying:
    Mine too.




    Msg #282: On 5/15/2015 at 5:53:51 AM, Trainwreck replied to Msg #278, saying:
    Someone put this neckbeard back where he belongs.


    Msg #283: On 6/10/2015 at 1:55:14 AM, RezForPrez replied, saying:
    I hope one of the spin off films is a man vs food type contest following the life of Porkins before he is drafted into the Rebel Alliance.


    Msg #284: On 12/19/2015 at 5:50:44 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    Kylo Ren is actually Han Solo's son and he kills Han Solo at the end of the movie.


    Msg #285: On 12/21/2015 at 12:11:44 AM, IngenRaptor replied, saying:
    LOL


    Msg #286: On 12/21/2015 at 5:43:00 AM, Bryan replied, saying:
    Normally I'd be pissed if someone had done that but if you really truly cared enough to want the movie to be unspoiled then you a) should have already watched it, or b) not come to one place on the net where there are no rules and where chivalry has come to die.


    Msg #287: On 12/21/2015 at 11:21:23 PM, Vinsfeld replied, saying:
    Great movie. It honestly felt like what a Star Wars movie should feel like. Even the opening crawl felt real, if that makes sense, unlike the prequels. I like that they didn't make kylo Rens reveal as Han and leias son anything momentous, and instead opted for a casual reveal. I hope the next two sequels are more distinctually different in terms of story than a rehash, which is what this felt like, but not as a negative. We needed a simple hero's tale. No unnecessary trade federations or blockades or politics. Any guesses for who Rey is? Is she unrelated to former cast, kylo's sister, or Luke's daughter, previously trained in the force but memory erased? Can't wait to find out.


    Msg #288: On 12/23/2015 at 1:36:45 AM, PaulSF replied, saying:
    I adored this film. Adored its casting, humor, three-dimensional villain, cinematography, pacing and what are by far the best performances of the six. It's everything I had hoped Episoce VII would be after all these years, which means it summarizes everything I personally want out of a movie, and sets it at the top of the year as my favorite film of 2015. It's the best installment aside from Empire.

    Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow are up next? I have no reason to be concerned about these things.



    Msg #289: On 12/23/2015 at 11:03:50 PM, Phily replied, saying:
    Splendid film.

    LOVE that a white woman, black man & Hispanic man are headliners. You CAN make money on a film without a white male lead.

    Abrams, historically, was poised to disappoint, but he proved everyone wrong. Including me.

    Fun, fun, fun. Looking forward to seeing how Rian Johnson & Colin Trevorrow will expand and add depth to the story. Kudos to Kennedy & Abrams for making such a wonderful film. You couldn't have asked for a better lead-in.

    4/4



    Msg #290: On 12/26/2015 at 9:06:28 PM, Compy01 replied, saying:
    This movie was everything I feared: essentially a greatest hits compilation of Empire and New Hope, jammed full of references for the nostalgic effect. Why do filmmakers continue to take the lazy, safe route? Why do audiences want to watch a re-jig of the old films, being reminded how awesome they were? The film wasn't bad. But it wasn't good. But it was just boring in parts. Safe and unoriginal. And Kylo Ren looked nothing like Solo or Leia. He looked like a privately educated Jew who was spoiled as a child.

    I really thought this film would be fantastic, beautiful, magnificent. Instead it was just a watchable movie. Plenty of things wrong with it that seem to have been lost in the hype. I did like the scale models and the location sets, though. I watched the remastered versions of IV - VI and they look better than the prequels.


    6/10



    Msg #291: On 12/26/2015 at 10:09:38 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    "And Kylo Ren looked nothing like Solo or Leia. He looked like a privately educated Jew who was spoiled as a child."



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    Msg #292: On 12/26/2015 at 11:48:21 PM, Bryan replied to Msg #291, saying:
    ROFL


    Msg #293: On 12/27/2015 at 2:36:54 PM, Compy01 replied to Msg #291, saying:
    Haha, excellent.

    Ren didn't look anything like them, though. That was what I was trying to get at.


        Replies: 294
    Msg #294: On 1/2/2016 at 2:03:10 AM, Raptor Vinny replied to Msg #293, saying:
    Luke doesn't look anything like Hayden or Natalie.

    None of them do even though they are all descendants of them.

    Most movies the kids don't really look that alike to their parents because it is completely secondary to character and acting talent.



    Msg #295: On 1/2/2016 at 11:36:39 PM, Ostromite replied, saying:
    I actually didn't see the film until a week ago. I deduced the plot twists, looked it up to see if I was right, and, lo and behold, I was. Here's my review.

        Replies: 299
    Msg #296: On 1/3/2016 at 3:12:46 AM, fordprefect replied, saying:
    I thought Kelly looked a lot like Jeff Goldblum to be fair


    Msg #297: On 1/3/2016 at 9:54:58 PM, Vinsfeld replied, saying:
    I just read your review Ostro. Very thorough and well written. I actually just bought the Star Wars visual dictionary today. Poe Dameron's black x-wing is first seen when the resistance shows up to save the heros on the Forrest planet, and it's also prominent in the scene were Finn reunites with Poe for the first time since their escape from the star destroyer (or whatever they're called now)


    Msg #298: On 1/5/2016 at 7:58:35 AM, Bryan replied, saying:
    Great review, Lee, as usual. Naturally, I think your cynicism about it all is justified. But I'm with the brainwashed masses on this one. Whether or not it's all a machine churning out mass-produced joy is irrelevant if the end result is, in fact, joy.


    Msg #299: On 1/18/2016 at 5:27:29 PM, Compy01 replied to Msg #295, saying:
    Always enjoy reading your reviews Ostro, keep them coming!

    And Ford, lmao. Good one!



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